Guest Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 the vids are great, they're sooo switched on!! ... was browsing/link-surfing after watching your vids, and found this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPslwcRy9M...ted&search= this baby puppy only looks about 10 weeks old .. how on earth would they have it weaving so well at such a young age (and should they even be doing that?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I was told that you shouldn't start proper weaving until the dog is at least 12 months - the weaving action is tough on them. With Kaos who is 11 months I have only run him through open channel weaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) was browsing/link-surfing after watching your vids, and found this onehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPslwcRy9M...ted&search= this baby puppy only looks about 10 weeks old .. how on earth would they have it weaving so well at such a young age (and should they even be doing that?) Maybe it was an imprinting period? There was a lot of talk of this a few years ago, where people were teaching very young pups the basics of agility & then leaving them for 12 months. It was a fairly common thing, although I haven't heard anyone talk about it for a while...then again, maybe I'm just hoping for the best & thinking positive thoughts for this little pup, because it is definitely too young to start weaving regularly. It is possible to get a dog/pup weaving 12 poles to this level in a few days with 5-6 short sessions a day. Trim did her first full accurate set on day 3 at about this speed...although she was a lot older. There is a lot more to weaving than doing 12 poles: the entries, angles, lateral distance & speed can take a lot longer to get correct. I may video each of Shine's sessions when we start...it could be kind of fun & interesting to work out exactly how long it takes her to get to each stage. Edited March 14, 2007 by Vickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I was always told not until at least 12 months old due to the pressure on the dogs back when weaving... watching that video though the pup is small enough to get away with not bending its spine like a bigger/older dog would need to. That said I still wouldn't be doing it with a pup that young I hope that now they've taught it to weave that they leave it alone until its old enough to be weaving properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 I take it back, I just watched his other clips where he is running full courses with it at about 8 weeks. The guy is a dickhead. I feel sorry for that puppy ...and when you watch him run his other dog he is a crappy handler anyway. So much for me trying to think on the bright side . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I thought so ... poor baby I'd love to see as many training sessions as you'd want to share, and all the steps ... I'm a visual learner, and have trouble converting whats written, into mental pictures of what's being explained ... if i had vids AND words i'm sure i'd learn a lot faster ... I have an Aussie Shep girl (midge), who turns one on monday. She's currently doing pretty well at obed. training, but we havn't competed as yet .. i'm a complete novice, and my lack of knowledge is her #1 problem. I'd LOVE to do agility with her too, and would hate to start her off wrong, and as a result i've failed to start anything at all ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
border14 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I thought so ... poor baby I'd love to see as many training sessions as you'd want to share, and all the steps ... I'm a visual learner, and have trouble converting whats written, into mental pictures of what's being explained ... if i had vids AND words i'm sure i'd learn a lot faster ... I have an Aussie Shep girl (midge), who turns one on monday. She's currently doing pretty well at obed. training, but we havn't competed as yet .. i'm a complete novice, and my lack of knowledge is her #1 problem. I'd LOVE to do agility with her too, and would hate to start her off wrong, and as a result i've failed to start anything at all ... Hi Vickie Just came back from Duke's first agility foundation training. It was very light with small and minimal jumping as he's only 11 mths but Oh and him were doing excellent. You were right, the handler and the dog have to have a connection and they do. Duke was watching him all night and towards the end OH had him off lead and Duke went better. OH did your exercise before we started ( with poles ) and Duke did well with him but I think OH was getting a bit confused We are also visual learners and any videos that you put up would be excellent and appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 Just came back from Duke's first agility foundation training. It was very light with small and minimal jumping as he's only 11 mths but Oh and him were doing excellent. You were right, the handler and the dog have to have a connection and they do. Duke was watching him all night and towards the end OH had him off lead and Duke went better. OH did your exercise before we started ( with poles ) and Duke did well with him but I think OH was getting a bit confused We are also visual learners and any videos that you put up would be excellent and appreciated :D COOL! I'm glad they both enjoyed it. Are you still coming on Sunday? If so, you can tell me all about it, I always have poles in the back of my car, so we could even do a bit while we're there... and... I think I will have to have a chat to your OH about your new dog He can't have all the fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I had Tia assessed at Action Dogs last week. She passed with flying colours. Action Dogs do mainly foundation exercises, thats why they take young pups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloes Dad Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 One thing I have been doing with Chloe is sitting her down then holding a soft ball in front of her. I say stay and walk away backwards then in my girliest voice (I have been told I need to work on my Minnie Mouse voice...) I say are you ready then I gently lob the ball toward her and she catches it on the full most of the time. She then runs to me with the ball and we have a bit of a fun tug of war with it. Then we repeat. I have been increasing the distance and length of time with this and I have found that it is a really positive way to teach the "stay". Now I have moved on with this so I sit her, then say stay, I walk away I say are you ready. Then I say OK and run toward a pole she runs around the pole and gets her ball. And a hell of allot of Minnie Mouse dad praise What are your thoughts Gurus? will try and capture this on film for you all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
border14 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Just came back from Duke's first agility foundation training. It was very light with small and minimal jumping as he's only 11 mths but Oh and him were doing excellent. You were right, the handler and the dog have to have a connection and they do. Duke was watching him all night and towards the end OH had him off lead and Duke went better. OH did your exercise before we started ( with poles ) and Duke did well with him but I think OH was getting a bit confused We are also visual learners and any videos that you put up would be excellent and appreciated COOL! I'm glad they both enjoyed it. Are you still coming on Sunday? If so, you can tell me all about it, I always have poles in the back of my car, so we could even do a bit while we're there... and... I think I will have to have a chat to your OH about your new dog He can't have all the fun! Hi Vickie Will PM you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippi Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I take it back, I just watched his other clips where he is running full courses with it at about 8 weeks. The guy is a dickhead. I feel sorry for that puppy ...and when you watch him run his other dog he is a crappy handler anyway. So much for me trying to think on the bright side . Yep, if you want to see what not to do and how to confuse your dog in one easy lesson, watch this guy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 One thing I have been doing with Chloe is sitting her down then holding a soft ball in front of her. I say stay and walk away backwards then in my girliest voice (I have been told I need to work on my Minnie Mouse voice...) I say are you ready then I gently lob the ball toward her and she catches it on the full most of the time. She then runs to me with the ball and we have a bit of a fun tug of war with it. Then we repeat. I have been increasing the distance and length of time with this and I have found that it is a really positive way to teach the "stay".Now I have moved on with this so I sit her, then say stay, I walk away I say are you ready. Then I say OK and run toward a pole she runs around the pole and gets her ball. And a hell of allot of Minnie Mouse dad praise Sounds good, especially the going around the pole bit, whatever works is good. Yes please to video! We'd love to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I have been working through this DVD with Tia Product #: GamesToEnhanceTrainingDVD Playing structured games lets you and your dog have fun while establishing fundamental skills such as control, patience, and learning. The 16 games included on this DVD are for dogs of all ages, no experience necessary. These are great games for those who want their dog's education to be fun and want to enhance the learning and performance of dog sports such as obedience, agility, flyball, and tracking. 1 hour, 22 minutes long, DVD only, NTSC format. © 2006 Game 1: Tug Interact with your dog with a toy. Eventually this interaction is a reward for your dog. Game 2: Give Teaches your dog to release the toy. Game 3: Trading Gets your dog to switch from one toy to another Game 4: Turn Helps your dog learn to turn both left and right. Game 5: Over/Under Teaches your dog to duck under and to go over. Game 6: "Ketch" Me Teaches your dog to run up to your side on the left and right Game 7: Mistake Game This desensitizes your dog to words that you say when you make a mistake. Game 8: Tag 'Em Get your dog's attention Game 9: Toy to Food/Food to Toy Allows you to switch between food and toy rewards during training Game 10: Fetch Teaches your dog to retrieve a tossed item. Game 11: Send Teaches your dog to retrieve a placed item. Game 12: Race Builds ground speed and helps your dog get used to you moving with him in a straight line. Game 13: Drive In Teaches your dog to come quickly into you. Game 14: Look Back Allows you to reward stays from behind the dog. Game 15: Transition Gets your dog's focus on you, then off you and teaches body awareness for handlers. Game 16: Directionals Teaches your dog Left and Right directionals. We are up to Game 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I saw the info about that DVD, sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Sounds like a great video, there's some really good skills there. I am assuming there is step by step on each Game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatevah Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Yep it is step by step, the first game tug is the longest part of the video. She also mentions different methods for different type of dogs such as hard mouthed, soft mouthed. She starts off with the beggining method then goes onto the advanced method. Yesterday I taught Tia to switch between different toys, and introduced the word. This site here has some very interesting articles about Agility Being Good for Dogs, read part 1 & 2, and let me know what you think.\ http://www.silvia.trkman.net/ also scroll down to the videos, has great running contacts, also check out the tricks, even a border riding a skateboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 This site here has some very interesting articles about Agility Being Good for Dogs, read part 1 & 2, and let me know what you think.\http://www.silvia.trkman.net/ also scroll down to the videos, has great running contacts, also check out the tricks, even a border riding a skateboard. I'm pretty sure she is coming to Australia this year, should be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) I have to share this funny thing from yesterday, since it is foundation related. I was showing Border14 & OH how I teach a rear & front cross. First Trim & I demonstrated a rear cross just on the ground, on a verbal & then purely on body language. All was good. then...I tried to show the same thing with a front cross. LOL, problem was that my verbal command for a rear cross is "cross", so as I was trying to demonstrate a front cross...everytime I said the word "cross" as part of "front cross"...she did a rear . She is such a funny girl, she did it not once, not twice but many times, LOL. I am still laughing about it remembering it now. I am sure I have confused the hell out of B14 & OH . Honestly I felt like we should have been one of those old fashioned acts at a circus, with me dressed as a clown. Moral of the story...is not to change words...it is to appreciate your beautiful dogs & maintain the ability to laugh above all else. Edited March 18, 2007 by Vickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippi Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 Vickie Why don't you do some video of how you teach the front and rear cross. I'm sure that would be interesting for lots of people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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