weisnjac Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I am after some feedback on how other clubs go about deciding their Highest Score In Trial. We had a discussion about this at our club at the last meeting and no-one aggreed. Some were pushing the point that CCD should be excluded as based on a %, they would win it just about each time. Say is I had a pass of 95/100 in CCD and someone in UD passed with 190/200, CCD wins it. Many are saying UD works harder and should deserve it more that the CCD winner. I am not sure either way as yet, but in the above instance, I would feel bad taking highest score in trial over a 190 in UD Someone brought up a sum you can do to even it out (x 100 divide 200, or something like that). Do any clubs use a silmilar calculation? I would find it hard to expect other clubs to work these sums out for another clubs highest scoring ribbon. If this topic has already been done, please let me know as I couldn't find anything. Look forward to hearing other opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Normally it goes on straight points so CCD would not be in the running. If you were to average scores you would need to change the award name to best in trial or something similar because if a CCD dog wins it would not have the highest score in trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 yup encouragement never got a look in for HIt im afraid otherwise have a best in trial like the royal and run the winners of all doign the same exercise so heel onlead or off lead for the higher classes and a recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 Very good point about changing the award name guys, I didn't think of that and I don't think anyone else did either. I know Encouragement was always excluded but now that it's CCD and a title, some don't want to exclude it. An example from our last trial (This was for our Highest scoring member) A lady in CCD had a great pass of 96/100 A lady in Open had her first pass with a great score of 187/200 IMHO Open should have won plainly because of the work involved, but CCD won (the CCD winner was my aunt so I was happy for her anyway ) Thanks for the input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 true, but it is a great encouragement for the new dogs and owners too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 true, but it is a great encouragement for the new dogs and owners too. Thats the other argument (sp?) and why I'm not yet totally convinced either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witheverythingiam Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 So if they're just doubling the CCD score to get "equal" to out of 200 like the rest, then why wouldn't the CCD dogs be in the running? if a CCD dog got 95/100 and another dog got 190/200, it is actually the same score, and you'd need a countback to see who the "winner" was by looking in the rulebook and finding which exercises are more important for each class, and looking at the scores in order. whoever gets the better score first is the highest in trial. -WithEverythingIAm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 So if they're just doubling the CCD score to get "equal" to out of 200 like the rest, then why wouldn't the CCD dogs be in the running? if a CCD dog got 95/100 and another dog got 190/200, it is actually the same score, and you'd need a countback to see who the "winner" was by looking in the rulebook and finding which exercises are more important for each class, and looking at the scores in order. whoever gets the better score first is the highest in trial.-WithEverythingIAm This is what I am trying to find out. You just made it a lot easier to understand. The point that some members were pushing is it's a hell of a lot harder to get 190 in say Open or UD that it is to get 95 in CCD. I have only trialed a couple of time (in CCD) so I'm not expert on the matter. I just wanted to get some other opinions. Thanks for your reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 i'd contact soemone like noeline mcillroy and get her opinion on best way to do it shes on otec and is involved in running many trials so would have a fairly good idea of the easiest way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 i'd contact soemone like noeline mcillroy and get her opinion on best way to do it shes on otec and is involved in running many trials so would have a fairly good idea of the easiest way to go We did speak to her about it at our last trial in November. Might be worth contacting her again, thanks for the suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witheverythingiam Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 The point that some members were pushing is it's a hell of a lot harder to get 190 in say Open or UD that it is to get 95 in CCD. Um, yes. BUT CCD dogs are competing against their own set of exercises, and so are the other classes. Whichever dog performs better on the day for their own exercises should be the "winner" of Highest in Trial. -WithEverythingIAm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witheverythingiam Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 The point that some members were pushing is it's a hell of a lot harder to get 190 in say Open or UD that it is to get 95 in CCD. Um, yes. BUT CCD dogs are competing against their own set of exercises, and so are the other classes. Whichever dog performs better on the day for their own exercises should be the "winner" of Highest in Trial. -WithEverythingIAm PS - It's only HARDER to get 190 in Open than 95 in CCD, because of the fact the exercises are more difficult in Open. So of course it will be harder. It's just common sense really? -WithEverythingIAm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 The point that some members were pushing is it's a hell of a lot harder to get 190 in say Open or UD that it is to get 95 in CCD. Um, yes. BUT CCD dogs are competing against their own set of exercises, and so are the other classes. Whichever dog performs better on the day for their own exercises should be the "winner" of Highest in Trial. -WithEverythingIAm PS - It's only HARDER to get 190 in Open than 95 in CCD, because of the fact the exercises are more difficult in Open. So of course it will be harder. It's just common sense really? -WithEverythingIAm Yes I do reslise that. Please excuse me if I am coming accross half witted, that was not my intention. I am only after opinions on what other clubs are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 The old "Encouragment" class (CCD) was never included in the magor points. The heel patterns are not as long, or offleash, and the reason it used to be called "Encouragment", was for obvious reason. The magor award was called "Best In Trial". Highest scoring club member was often awarded, again, the lower class excluded. It is not unfair, you do not have to enter CCD to compete in Novice. It is up to you. If you want to be competitive, train your dog to a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 The point that some members were pushing is it's a hell of a lot harder to get 190 in say Open or UD that it is to get 95 in CCD. Um, yes. BUT CCD dogs are competing against their own set of exercises, and so are the other classes. Whichever dog performs better on the day for their own exercises should be the "winner" of Highest in Trial. -WithEverythingIAm I agree - I think CCD should be included, if you can find some way of making the scores equal. IMO, it is a poor excuse saying that simply because UD and CDX are 'harder' they should be warranted the 'high in trial'... although it is true, I think that a good novice or CCD dog should also be awarded for their efforts.... it is good encouragement to keep on going to the higher classes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 Thanks everyone, I shall pass on these thoughts at the next meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'll be interested to hear what you suggest Weisenjac - let us know wont u! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) I'll be interested to hear what you suggest Weisenjac - let us know wont u! Will do and thanks again Leopuppy, are you going to the Berwick A & H show tomorow? Edited February 23, 2007 by weisnjac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'll be interested to hear what you suggest Weisenjac - let us know wont u! Will do and thanks again Leopuppy, are you going to the Berwick A & H show tomorow? LOL - Nope i'm not showing again until Mid-March at the Yarra Glen and Eltham shows I'm having withdrawal symptoms! I was meant to go to an agility trial last friday but had to scratch . Off to the beach this weekend and then it is obed trialling/ agility trials up until mid march Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weisnjac Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 I'll be interested to hear what you suggest Weisenjac - let us know wont u! Will do and thanks again Leopuppy, are you going to the Berwick A & H show tomorow? LOL - Nope i'm not showing again until Mid-March at the Yarra Glen and Eltham shows I'm having withdrawal symptoms! I was meant to go to an agility trial last friday but had to scratch . Off to the beach this weekend and then it is obed trialling/ agility trials up until mid march I think i'd rather be at the beach than at a dog show too We will have to meet up sooner or later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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