Toohey Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Unfortunately everyone has opinions and you are bound to get different ones. I hope you don't feel too bullied by a certain know it all... know nothing... assume everything... who are you referring to? The fact that you are taking your puppy to pre school and joining forums like this shows that you are great pet owner A lot of times people think they are doing the right thing, however, a little education and experience can change their whole outlook. im very sorry that long standing members have suggested the contrary, shame on them This statement is just plain rude! The long standing members share knowledge to help new dog owners better care for their dogs. If you think they are deserving of such insults, perhaps you should seek your dog knowledge elsewhere. Not everyone knows how to sugar coat their replies, but rest assured that all advice is offered with the best interests of all dogs at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloes Dad Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If you read the entire post i think you will 1) know exactly whom I refer to and 2) See whom is actually plain rude! hint - you may see the word 'moron' feature... Unfortunately everyone has opinions and you are bound to get different ones. I hope you don't feel too bullied by a certain know it all... know nothing... assume everything... who are you referring to? The fact that you are taking your puppy to pre school and joining forums like this shows that you are great pet owner A lot of times people think they are doing the right thing, however, a little education and experience can change their whole outlook. im very sorry that long standing members have suggested the contrary, shame on them This statement is just plain rude! The long standing members share knowledge to help new dog owners better care for their dogs. If you think they are deserving of such insults, perhaps you should seek your dog knowledge elsewhere. Not everyone knows how to sugar coat their replies, but rest assured that all advice is offered with the best interests of all dogs at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toohey Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If you read the entire post i think you will 1) know exactly whom I refer to and 2) See whom is actually plain rude!hint - you may see the word 'moron' feature... I usually try to make it a habit to read the entire thread before I post, but thanks for the advice I saw Dougie refer to an unknown vet/s as morons for recommending pups be taken to puppy school at the clinic before fully vaccinated.... And, I saw Uforia call Dougie a moron for expressing that opinion (in a now moderated post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloes Dad Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 For the record I think that allot of long tem users have given some great advice on this subject and I have found a lot of it very helpful. I can see how my statement could have been taken generaly and I in no way mean all of you. I would also like to mention that due to the new Vax my pup was sitting in puppy school at 11 weeks fully covered. and that the vet in question takes this very seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 It's a shock for me...but I actually agree with Dougie for once! I took my first pup to Puppy PreSchool...and started it with my second. The subsequent 3, I did not take. It's not that I don't take my pups out before they are fully vaccinated, b/c I do, but I very carefully monitor where & when and 99% of their time out, they are in my arms. They meet dogs I know & trust, in my environment or at friends places. Putting them on a floor, with a mixed bag of puppies & owners & risks of infection is just not worth it for me. Looking at just what it requires to remove parvo from an environment once it is there, to me it seems very risky indeed. My vet even advises me not to put my pups on his floor, when I take them in for vacs. He is not admitting anything other than the fact that you can never be too careful. It is often not appropriate for different breeds/sizes to be wrestling with each other. Large breed puppies, I think can be just too rough for toy breeds and not all puppy schools recognise this. I am happy to get any advice I need from my breeder who knows my dogs & what they need and would hope that most respectable breeders would be providing any info their puppy owners need. I guess the other big thing is , that when you're on your 2nd dog and especially if you are doing some formal training in anything, half/most the time you know more than the person taking the class. I don't want to be disagreeing with the trainer, who may or may not know anything about my breed. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavNrott Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) . Edited June 7, 2009 by cavNrott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloes Dad Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I stand by my "shame on you" a brand new member with a brand new puppy has asked for advice. and I agree she received some wonderful advice from some very knowledgeable people, you included. But.... "anyone who advises anyone to ''get your puppy out & about to socialise it'' before it has had it's second round of vacs is a moron." "if your ''trainer'' is so damn good he/she will have no trouble socialising a puppy AFTER it has its full course of vaccinations.....if they can't.... get a ''real'' trainer.......too easy." come on who does that help?? Anyway back on topic, Chloe would be available for some one on one time before the next puppy school. This may help? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollynme Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Hi Pete Anyway back on topic, Chloe would be available for some one on one time before the next puppy school. This may help?Pete I think this is an excellent idea, off to PM you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I didn't take my last two to puppy preschool either, and probably won't take the next ones. Mostly because of the points Vickie made - I probably know more than the instructor, and don't want to cause waves, and I don't really want my dogs to wrestle with strange puppies - I want good doggy meeting manners which is meeting greeting sniffing and then on your way. And I want focus on me not the other dogs. The only dog I took to puppy preschool was Zoe, who was also the only one to go to off lead parks as a pup, and the only one to become dog aggressive! Figure that one out! So we do our socialising at obedience where I know the temperament of the other older dogs is calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloes Dad Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I probably know more than the instructor Yes that is a great point, what i have found is that the puppies aren't being taught, We are being taught how to teach them but I guess puppy owner pre school does not have the same ring also thankfully there is no off leash interaction between the pups at all, obviously this isn't the case at all pup pre schools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 "anyone who advises anyone to ''get your puppy out & about to socialise it'' before it has had it's second round of vacs is a moron.""if your ''trainer'' is so damn good he/she will have no trouble socialising a puppy AFTER it has its full course of vaccinations.....if they can't.... get a ''real'' trainer.......too easy." who does that help? it helps everyone the good sense to listen to good advice when they hear it. anyone who does advise to the contrary is a moron & a some poor bloody puppy owner who accepts this idiotic advice will pay the price....not will maybe pay the price, but will pay the price.... someone, somewhere.. stupid advice given by stupid people make my blood boil. as does stupid advice endorsed by equally stupid people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollynme Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 dougie it sounds like you're frustrated, instead of coming in here and blasting puppy owners why don't you take it out on the so called 'moron trainers' then? Would you rather we not ask for advice at all, is that it? You're saying the same thing over and over again, i'd like either hear more stories or experiences, not a broken record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloes Dad Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hi, My gripe was not with the advice you were giving. You obviously have allot of experiance and have allot to offer us new people. maybe you could look at your delivery...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntinHound Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 dougie it sounds like you're frustrated, instead of coming in here and blasting puppy owners why don't you take it out on the so called 'moron trainers' then?Would you rather we not ask for advice at all, is that it? You're saying the same thing over and over again, i'd like either hear more stories or experiences, not a broken record. And rather than taking dougies advice onboard and moving on (no-one is saying you have to agree with that advice) you're arguing with him over & over again like a broken record. Hi,My gripe was not with the advice you were giving. You obviously have allot of experiance and have allot to offer us new people. maybe you could look at your delivery...... Delivery?? yeah it's abit abrupt at times but if you take the time go back through this persons' previous posts you will see through the abruptness and realise that this person has alot of experience & alot of fantastic advice to offer. My guess (as I don't know 'dougie' personally) is that they are the kind of person who calls a spade a spade and there is certainly nothing wrong with that - wish I had the courage to say what I really think sometimes ..... Now that I've said my 2cents worth I'll leave you all to your 'conversation' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 people ask for advice & then want to dispute it because of ''folk lore'' bull shih tzu. if i can save one puppies health & one owners anquish, then job done. i am frustrated when this place degenerates into a mutual admiration society.....where posters say what they think people should hear rather than what they should actually hear. you wouldn't let your kids romp around in the infectious diseases ward with any old kid who wandered in off the street. my advice has been too socialise puppies after they have had their second round of vaccinations. it is just not worth the risk....no matter how remote. anyone who rejects this advice is foolish, anyone who encourages anyone to dismiss this advice is a moron & i make no apology for that description......it's the only one that is appropriate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollynme Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 dougie it sounds like you're frustrated, instead of coming in here and blasting puppy owners why don't you take it out on the so called 'moron trainers' then? Would you rather we not ask for advice at all, is that it? You're saying the same thing over and over again, i'd like either hear more stories or experiences, not a broken record. And rather than taking dougies advice onboard and moving on (no-one is saying you have to agree with that advice) you're arguing with him over & over again like a broken record. Actually, you will see that i have in fact stopped arguing quite a few pages back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toohey Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 (edited) dougie it sounds like you're frustrated, instead of coming in here and blasting puppy owners why don't you take it out on the so called 'moron trainers' then?Would you rather we not ask for advice at all, is that it? You're saying the same thing over and over again, i'd like either hear more stories or experiences, not a broken record. No. I think you are frustrated because Dougie is not telling you what you want to hear. Sometimes people need to have the message drummed in repeatedly because they don't listen, don't understand, or don't want to acknowledge that what they they already know or believe may not necessarily be right or best. Good post Huntin Hound. If you come here and ask advice, at least be prepared to take it on board and use it to help you make your own decisions re caring for and raising your dog. A little common sense never goes astray either. If you don't like the way the advice is delivered, seek it elsewhere or grow a thicker skin. Edited January 19, 2007 by Toohey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikle Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 (edited) hi uforia - i understand how you feel. raising a puppy is so confusing and you often get contradicting opinions on what you should do about almost everything. i had the exact same query as you back when douglas was 11 weeks old. so i started a poll. 70 people participated. of those 70 people, only 1 person said they had heard of a pup getting sick. i took doug after his second vaccination - he was 12 weeks old. it is something you have to weigh up yourself - is it socialisation worth the small chance u will lose your pup to parvo? >> Link to my old Poll << Edited January 19, 2007 by bikle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloes Dad Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I would really like to move on. So back on topic As posted we have set up a one on one puppy play date for Molly and Chloe (both fully vaccinated so it is not an issue at all) before the next Puppy Pre School, any tips on how we let these guys interact? Should it be on mutual territory? They are both quite shy initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 hi uforia - i understand how you feel. raising a puppy is so confusing and you often get contradicting opinions on what you should do about almost everything. i had the exact same query as you back when douglas was 11 weeks old. so i started a poll. 70 people participated. of those 70 people, only 1 person said they had heard of a pup getting sick. i took doug after his second vaccination - he was 12 weeks old. it is something you have to weigh up yourself - is it socialisation worth the small chance u will lose your pup to parvo? >> Link to my old Poll << what a wonderful name you have chosen....... & you have shown good sense regarding your puppies health. your dougie is as lucky as my dougie......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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