Sick Of Unprofessional Groomers

[Vehs]

Try a search on the forums.

Bascially it's a bath that recirculates soapy water for a deeper clean on double coated breed = less scrubbing, and then you use a clean rinse water. You can get some that heat the water as well.

I see you have a Lab, well you don't really need to use a hydrobath, but I would suggest warm water, shampoo with a zoom groom (or rubber brush) and then a soak in conditioner before using a blow dryer to blow out any undercoat and them using another rubber brush/hounds glove to get out anymore hair.

[flycow]

Thank you Vehs. (and yes lab = fur fur and more fur.)

[wagsalot]

A bald section....that sounds like something I done when I was learning how to groom dogs.

Luckily I decided to stick to the washing only

Border14- Did you speak to the groomer about the bald spot at all?

[border14]

I did talk to the owner about it and she apologised. The person who did Duke that day is on holidays and she said she will speak with her when she gets back.

I bought an oldfield dryer today and should get it some time tomorrow.

I know I will be more happier if I do it myself now.

[wagsalot]

I did talk to the owner about it and she apologised. The person who did Duke that day is on holidays and she said she will speak with her when she gets back.

I bought an oldfield dryer today and should get it some time tomorrow.

I know I will be more happier if I do it myself now.

I was wondering if maybe there were training someone new or something.

Goodluck with doing it yourself - Im sure your dog will love it, and you'll feel happier with the end result

[poocow]

I didn't think that you could clip BC's coats, as it grows back funny? (I haven't tested this, so I'm not sure what "funny" means - I was told this by a groomer once?)

Nope I've had Toppy clipped twice now and his coat grows back fine. I only have him done in summer as he really overheats - plus makes checking for ticks so much easier.

The first time I had Top done it was shocking - done by a mobile groomer. Tops got no tail (just a round stump) and she clipped way too close and it got infected and started bleeding. The lovely shmoo did him this time and he looks fantastic Her boss also did Darcy in a traditional cocker cut exactly how I asked and he came out looking fantastic :D

[shmoo]

thats cause we are poocow

:D

and yes Borders are fine to clip. we do them all the time.

its the double coated dogs like Samoyed, Malamutes and Keeshond that dont grow back properly. they get this awful fizz for an undercoat and it seems to grow much faster than the top coat.. making the dog look like an uneven scruffy fizzy fluff that dead hair locks into. its terrible.

[border14]

Where abouts are you shmoo?

Edited January 8, 2007 by border14

[JulesP]

That's interesting I found that borders (and goldens and GSD) all ended up with horrible coats after being clipped. Sort of coarse and didn't sit nicely.

[MolassesLass]

That's interesting I found that borders (and goldens and GSD) all ended up with horrible coats after being clipped. Sort of coarse and didn't sit nicely.

Me too.

and yes Borders are fine to clip. we do them all the time.

its the double coated dogs like Samoyed, Malamutes and Keeshond that dont grow back properly. they get this awful fizz for an undercoat and it seems to grow much faster than the top coat.. making the dog look like an uneven scruffy fizzy fluff that dead hair locks into. its terrible.

Probably depends on the linage of the BC how badly their coat is affected but they are a double coated breed and should not be clipped IMO and IME. Obviously the shorter the coat naturally and the thinner the coat naturally the less badly the coat will appear and be to manage when growing back.

Not only does it grow back badly but removing the naturual insulation properties by ruining the double coated function means they get hotter in summer and colder in winter. And IMO they look fugly as hell when clipped.

Once the natural double coat begins to break down by age, then they should be clipped.

[Ittybitty_]

Not only does it grow back badly but removing the naturual insulation properties by ruining the double coated function means they get hotter in summer and colder in winter. And IMO they look fugly as hell when clipped.

All the BC's I clip, arent done for looks. And Im sure most are the same. The dogs are always happy to have their coat off, usually they are happy and bouncy at the end of their clip, and are done because they are in tick areas, and it also keeps fleas off because they are easier to spray. It prevents hot spots occurring, And especially when they are on working stations, they keep free from burrs and spikes from the grass.

I agree Silverblue.. We aint all bad. IMO The franchises are the bad guys..

[MolassesLass]

The point on looks was simply my opinion Rox but for those who clip because they think it will keep their dog cooler I think it's worth making it very clear that they are not actually being made cooler (unless the coat has already been clipped or broken down from age) and that this will cause the coat to become harder to manage.

I really don't care if people want to do so (as long as it's not one of mine - bred or owned) but the reasons you give are not acceptable IMO. Flea spot ons work just fine with long coats, tick products work just fine as do daily thorough checks and daily brushing removes burrs. All too often those people who are clipping their double coated dogs should have gotten a different breed or a genetic short coat version of such IMO.

Edited January 9, 2007 by molasseslass

[shmoo]

Where abouts are you shmoo?

sydney, salon in Manly.

[shmoo]

All too often those people who are clipping their double coated dogs should have gotten a different breed or a genetic short coat version of such IMO.

and i agree, most of the time they should have. but they didnt. and now they have a dog they are not prepared to brush daily, wash, or check for ticks. so they get them clipped.

compared to Samoyed, Mals etc. the BC coat grows back much better.

[Miranda]

All too often those people who are clipping their double coated dogs should have gotten a different breed or a genetic short coat version of such IMO.

This is something I really don't understand, people who buy a long coated/double coated breed and then clip it. Once they're clipped they look nothing like their breed at all, there is a clipped samoyed near me and it looks like some sort of terrier cross. There are plenty of short haired breeds to choose from, why buy a dog that needs regular and/or specialised coat care if you don't want to groom it?

[shmoo]

All too often those people who are clipping their double coated dogs should have gotten a different breed or a genetic short coat version of such IMO.

This is something I really don't understand, people who buy a long coated/double coated breed and then clip it. Once they're clipped they look nothing like their breed at all, there is a clipped samoyed near me and it looks like some sort of terrier cross. There are plenty of short haired breeds to choose from, why buy a dog that needs regular and/or specialised coat care if you don't want to groom it?

we ask that same question all day at work. hell when im clipping off Lab's and short haired JRT's because they moult i ask myself why do they have a dog?

the average person does not research what kind of dog they want before they get it. they just get the cute one in the pet shop window (and it turns out NOTHING like they thought it would) or they get one from a rescue that lies through their teeth about grooming requirements.

[Miranda]

Or they see a cute fluffy puppy and fail to realise that fluffy puppies frequently mature into fluffy dogs

[Toohey]

This is something I really don't understand, people who buy a long coated/double coated breed and then clip it. Once they're clipped they look nothing like their breed at all, there is a clipped samoyed near me and it looks like some sort of terrier cross. There are plenty of short haired breeds to choose from, why buy a dog that needs regular and/or specialised coat care if you don't want to groom it?

I clip my pet cockers into a show clip. Otherwise they would look like sheep I could never ever bring myself to take it all off though, have to leave their feathering, but I can understand why some people do.

I can't stand to see dogs like BC's and goldens shaved off though.

[Nevafollo]

Not only does it grow back badly but removing the naturual insulation properties by ruining the double coated function means they get hotter in summer and colder in winter. And IMO they look fugly as hell when clipped.

All the BC's I clip, arent done for looks. And Im sure most are the same. The dogs are always happy to have their coat off, usually they are happy and bouncy at the end of their clip, and are done because they are in tick areas, and it also keeps fleas off because they are easier to spray. It prevents hot spots occurring, And especially when they are on working stations, they keep free from burrs and spikes from the grass.

I agree Silverblue.. We aint all bad. IMO The franchises are the bad guys..

hmmm have to agree with you on everything regarding the clipping of BC's....BUT cant agree with the franchises being the bad guys i bought into a franchise 6months ago and i havent had issues and all my customers keep coming back...i have heard rumours of other franchise that arnt that crash hot...im pretty sure i do good work....in what way do franchises suck???? not trying to have a go or anything just curious as why we are the bad guys?

[border14]

With the places I have gone to, I have never asked them to clip him. Before getting him, we knew how much time was needed to groom him. One place only recommended to shave him on his belly due to the hot weather and I said no as he is still a puppy and it wasn't that thick. That's why I couldn't understand why he was "accidently" clipped on his back leg.