A Thread In Rescue Section

[MonElite]

seeing that most likely majority of experienced trainers reside in this section Im crossposting a thread from A Rescue section.

http://forums.dogzonline.com.au/index.php?showtopic=83351

Although I dont think it mentiones where is the dog (or in fact if its still alive) I though Id give it a shot and maybe someone would be interested in helping the people and the dog.

[wheres my rock]

i only read the last page but it wsounded liek the dog has been put to sleep

[Cosmolo]

I just read the last few pages and am quite put off about the attitude of some to a professonal trainer offering assistance and opinion. I realise this is not the fault of the OP but i would be disgusted if i offered help and was treated like that. I respect most people involved in rescue but would want to get some respect in return for my knowledge and expertise.

[MonElite]

I hope Cosmolo that you can go pass the personal remarks and see the big picture of the dog in need.

[Erny]

I think Myszka that it is pretty clear what a trainer/behaviourist is going to advise ..... it's already been said in that thread. IE Engage a professional trainer/behaviourist. Have blood and physiological tests done by adequately qualified Vet to determine/rule out physical/neurological disorder.

Even if the dog still ends up being PTS, at least the owners will be more well advised and should the behaviour exhibited be the consequence of owner ignorance (albeit innocent), at least they will be the wiser for the next dog they get and have less chance of making the same errors.

Do we know if the dog's behaviour is (in whole or in part) the consequence of the owners' error/s? No. And this will never be determined or learnt in the absence of proper professional consultation.

And all of this may be futile if the dog has already been pts.

[Erny]

I just read the last few pages and am quite put off about the attitude of some to a professonal trainer offering assistance and opinion. I realise this is not the fault of the OP but i would be disgusted if i offered help and was treated like that. I respect most people involved in rescue but would want to get some respect in return for my knowledge and expertise.

:D Well worded post, Cosmolo and totally agree. It puts you off trying to help out for free over the net and very discouraging to add qualified thoughts to the thread for the benefit of the OP and others who seek to learn from it.

Edited December 13, 2006 by Erny

[MonElite]

I was cross posting in hope that someone in the area that the dog is would put the hand up to do an assesment.

And I hope the dog is still alive, of course.

[Erny]

I was cross posting in hope that someone in the area that the dog is would put the hand up to do an assesment.

And I hope the dog is still alive, of course.

I may have missed reading a post made, but I see she was advised by the OP to contact Debbie Calnon (Delta). Did the owner of the dog do that already? What was the outcome there? What is the OP's location?

Edited December 13, 2006 by Erny

[Cosmolo]

I would be willing to put up my hand to do an assessment if the dog is still alive if the location is not too far away. I see the bigger picture but its little wonder why people hesitate to put up their hand for such things when that kind of attitude is present.

[MonElite]

It puts you off trying to help out for free over the net and very discouraging to add qualified thoughts to the thread for the benefit of the OP and others who seek to learn from it.

The thread originated on the 7.12 someone has put the hand up to see the dog TODAY 13.12.

I hope that OP tells us if the dog is alive and if it is where its located.

[Erny]

I hope that OP tells us if the dog is alive and if it is where its located.

That's what my initial query here was alluding to, Myszka. But what is your point of ....

The thread originated on the 7.12 someone has put the hand up to see the dog TODAY 13.12.

:D

That we (ie trainer/behaviourists) took too long to say we'll do it for free? No cynicism in my tone intended, but a genuine question as to what you're alluding to by your statement above?

[Kelpie-i]

I didn't even know the thread existed until I saw the cross-post. I don't normally frequent the Rescue section.

Any news on whether the dog is still alive or PTS??

[MonElite]

Erny - the OP said that the owners seeked advice from the vet and a pro.

The 5 or 6 pages of the thread was about what should have been done, what could have been done etc, with no action from anyone. And I belive that the people that owned the dog took those actions already and made thir decision, so there was no "way" of telling them to get a second opinon as it woudl have cost them money and potentially confirmed what they have decided already. And a generous offer from K9, hopefully not too late.

Topics in other sections get lost, not everyone reads them, no blame on anyone.

[Erny]

I didn't even know the thread existed until I saw the cross-post. I don't normally frequent the Rescue section.

Any news on whether the dog is still alive or PTS??

No, no news there, Kelpie-i. That's the first bit of info we need. Otherwise, even cross-posting here (even though with the best of intentions) is futile.

[Sayreovi]

I just read the last few pages and am quite put off about the attitude of some to a professonal trainer offering assistance and opinion. I realise this is not the fault of the OP but i would be disgusted if i offered help and was treated like that. I respect most people involved in rescue but would want to get some respect in return for my knowledge and expertise.

I agree 100%, the attitude by a select few was appalling!!!

I was angered by some of the responses to K9 there, he has more experience in training "problem" dogs in his little finger then some of those people making ridiculous accusations have in their entire body.

I still cant get over it......

Myszka, why didnt you offer to help?

Most of the people who replied wouldnt know what to do with a dog that presented itself with these problems. I would have offered to take if i knew what the hell too do. The only person who offered got attacked and degraded, certainly puts off helping in future doesnt it?

Why the OP didnt post in the training section first is beyond me, no rescue would even consider helping a dog that has lunged at a child regardless of why it did. The only real chance the dog had was in here.

[BJean]

no rescue would even consider helping a dog that has lunged at a child regardless of why it did.

Absolutely false.

That's some sweeping, uninformed generalisation tollers.

[Muttly]

thread has been removed now, guess it became more obnoxious than when I last saw it, which unfortunately through visiting this forum for a couple of years, doesn't surprise me.

[Sayreovi]

no rescue would even consider helping a dog that has lunged at a child regardless of why it did.

Absolutely false.

That's some sweeping, uninformed generalisation tollers.

So you would be willing to take a dog that has lunged at and if it had not been intercepted would have harmed a child?

Considering you take quite large dogs i would hate to think you would rehome one that has done so.

Perhaps i misworded, some would help but they wouldnt take the dog. I meant to say take not help.

[Cosmolo]

I ask the same question as Erny re- time taken to put up our hand- and is that directed at me given that i offered assistance today? And i too do not frequent the rescue section of the forum. Is the dog alive is the first question we need answered.

But i would also like to point out that many trainers and behaviourists are far from 'stingey' when it comes to helping out those in need. However we can't help everyone for free- not just because of $$ but also due to time constraints. I for one am flat out coming up to Christmas with all of my existing clients wanting that final session before the break.

I want to work in conjunction with people in rescue/ shelters- not in opposition. We already work with an animal shelter at least once a week (usually more) to help with problem dogs and offer a training course specifically for rehomed dogs. The course is ridiculously cheap and a good percentage of the proceeds go straight back to the shelter. Of course anything else we do down there (including running sessions for staff and volunteers, assessments of difficult dogs etc) is voluntary.

[BJean]

So you would be willing to take a dog that has lunged at and if it had not been intercepted would have harmed a child?

Considering you take quite large dogs i would hate to think you would rehome one that has done so.

Perhaps i misworded, some would help but they wouldnt take the dog. I meant to say take not help.

Yes tollers.

Anatolian Rescue is willing / does takes / has taken / is taking dogs that have been described by their owners as doing the above.

Please, if thinking of their rehoming causes you trouble, then dont.