MonElite Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 (edited) Spin off from another thread. In the forced retrieve thread K9 (post #21) mentiones that there are TRIALLING clubs in Sydney. Id like to know which clubs in Sydney specialise in obiedience trials. I have been/am a member of 4 dog training clubs with two being large (Sutherland and Centennial Park) where there is few people trailing their dogs, but the aim of the club isnt for the members to trail but for the general public to be able to bring up their family pets correctly. Which clubs in Sydney have members trialing their dogs as the MAIN FOCUS? As Id like to trial in the future Id like to go to the club that focuses on trialling, but dont know of any. Edited December 7, 2006 by myszka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 M: In the forced retrieve thread K9 (post #21) mentiones that there are TRIALLING clubs in Sydney. K9: I cant see where I said that a all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 (edited) page 2 post 21 4.34pm indicates that trialling clubs exists "many trialling clubs " Are there any in Australia? if there are none in Sydney. Edited December 7, 2006 by myszka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Dont know of any in Victoria but maybe there should be a couple? It would be fantastic to attend a class with a purpose instructor! It would also cause problems with instructor levels at normal clubs even if it was held on an alternative day i'd suspect. With everyone competing at trials of a weekend they would have to train during the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 southern would be the closest to a trialling club in vic that i can think of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 i know of a few...im sure you could think of some myszka if you thought of breed specific clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Hi myszka My obedience club has two parts : There is one that is aimed at pet owners that is run on Saturdays by Delta instructors. They do obedience, tricks, some basic agility. They do not allow check chains, only use flat, martingale or headcollar There is one aimed at people who are or are aiming at obedience trialling their dogs. This is run on Tuesday night and is the one I attend. The focus is obedience only, with a main class and then a separate area for more advanced retrieve/jumping/send away etc training which is done one on one. There are different instructors (all of whom trial and judge) to the weekend classes, and you are permitted to use check chains if you wish (most do use check chains, regardless of breed). Some people go off and do their own thing, and they have been pretty flexible in allowing me to try different things (even if they do think the food spitting is gross ). They encourage the use of motivators, most use food, some use toys, some use clickers. Western Suburbs Dog Training Club http://www.sinch.com.au/wsdtc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I wish the Northern suburbs of Melbourne had a club with a set up like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 i know of a few...im sure you could think of some myszka if you thought of breed specific clubs Dobe Club - no Rottie Club - no GSD League - not really lead me on more - pm is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Don't quote me on this, but my sources tell me Hills District Training and Kennel Club have trialing classes. Cheers, Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJack Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I agree with kavik, give Western Suburbs a go. Friend of mine joined up this year as she trials and wanted training that was dedicated to trialling. She finds it a good club and attends Tuesday evenings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 most clubs forget about the people who wish to go past basic obedience and your kinda on your own . I think its up to the triallers to get together and start a group b it at club or not and if you want instruction even if you had to pay a trainer between four to six people it wouldnt be that expensive. We have clubs down here with lots of triallers rings up every week and lots of help for the newvie Southern and Morington spring to mind but then you cant get near the rings because they are so busy and there are too many opinions at least at a non trialing clubyou get to use the equipment freely and dont have to wait all day and if you need help then you go to a trainer which for trial work is much better than trying to learn in a group of dogs and handlers with diffferent needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 K9: K9: I cant see where I said that a all.. M: page 2 post 21 4.34pm indicates that trialling clubs exists"many trialling clubs " Are there any in Australia? if there are none in Sydney. K9: the complete post 21 says K9: Most in where? Australia? possibly but I would also say that many trialling clubs arent getting many or sometimes any passes eac year, what does that say? M: Which clubs in Sydney have members trialing their dogs as the MAIN FOCUS? K9: I cant see where I said main focus either? Details. Myszka, details.... Any club that runs a class for trialling is a "trialling club", as the description "trialling" is a descriptive one.. Are yo trying to tell me tha every club tha are teaching trial steps are producing passes & a good percenage of passes every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 hmm i can answer that no as i said if you look at victorian trials you may get one to three passes per class out of 100 entries and whe you look past novice to open ud and udx some trials have maybe one to five passes across the whole group of classes it is not uncommon to have no passes in a class. Saldy clubs generally teach very basic stuff adn then you are one your own. Take our current club we have around 100 memebres on the ground each week we have maybe ten that would like to trial and at present three triallign the three trialling are in ccd and not getting passes because their dogs are ready people think they get to top class means they are ready to trial In one year you may not even see a perfect 200 and even top dog last year only half the competitors thast five had averages over 190 Most of the trialers that are successful either go to a private trainer or work with small groups or have ben around a long tme and are very experienced its interesting if you took all the people out of top dog that have been trialling for a long time and are very experienced you'd have a couple of people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 While I really like my club, and it is the best I have found so far, we are not up to trialling standard and I'm not sure we will get there with Diesel. They are happy with our progress and Diesel's heeling, but I would like really upbeat focussed heeling, and this happens only occasionally. They also don't teach a particularly motivated drop on recall (not that we are up to that ;) ) and a lot of dogs are slow on this exercise. I am teaching a drop at a distance for a toy, which is getting good results, which is how I would like to do drop on recall when we get there. I did manage to speed up his recall Diesel is still a bit slow for my liking, the people at my club think he is very energetic It is the little niggling things that are difficult to fix at a club, as they generally do the same exercises each week. My last club had a trialling class as well, that I was in with Zoe, but you had to go through the other classes first. The instructor for the trialling class did trial, but a lot of the other instructors were pet only, and so they taught trialling steps but with pet instructors, which made it difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) Any club that runs a class for trialling is a "trialling club", as the description "trialling" is a descriptive one.. At my club we have an A frame, couple of jumps and a tunnel. We do take students over the obsticles. We on occasion even make a whole class out of it. Should I call my club an agility club???? I dont think so....... Or are you saying K9 that your "detailed" description of the clubs with no sucesses in tirals indicate that they are actually dog training clubs and the little side thing they do is trialing? And would that be that the dog training clubs that have the trialing NOT as the main focus are getting or not getting any passes, simply becouse it isnt their main goal? Becouse if this is what you now indicate - that agrees with what I originally said that the clubs dont focus on the trials. Read what I wrote not what you though I did. Kavik how many people are members of your club? And how many people are interested in trialing and how many are training to trial in the future? Id say that there are about 100 active, attending members at my club and there might be 4 max that are interested in trialing their dogs. So should I call my club a trialing club???? If I take K9s "detailed description" I guess I should. Well than we are one of those trialing clubs that got 3 passes this year. 2 UD (GR and a GSD) and one CDX (another GR). And the dogs belong to the instructors not students. There isnt one student that is interested in trialing.......... Are yo trying to tell me tha every club tha are teaching trial steps are producing passes & a good percenage of passes every year? Not at all, quite the contrary..... Im saying that there are hardly ANY clubs in Sydney that are teaching trial steps, and as this thread shows I cant see a huge list of those that do, that focus on trials, that encourage people to compete. Edited December 8, 2006 by myszka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 There are maybe 20-30? people in my club - it is quite small. I would say out of those only a handfull have not competed before - there are only a few newbies to trialling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 though this is where a problem lies many of those who become instructors do wish to go on and trial but they cant get the help they need at their club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 though this is where a problem lies many of those who become instructors do wish to go on and trial but they cant get the help they need at their club That is exactly what Im trying to say. Kavik - 20-30 peopel are members of that club? I had an impression that its a large club with lots of students. Or are you counting only the "hard core" regulars, instructors etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 There are 20-30 people in the trialling Tuesday night class at my club. Give or take LOL. I don't attend the Saturday pet obedience classes so I don't know how many people go there. There are more people in the pet classes (when I went when Diesel was a pup for socialisation) but I haven't been since Diesel was about 4 months old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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