Discipline Question

[MonElite]

Lizar into a crate/enclosure.

Dogs run tired before you leave to go wherever. Than locked up while you are away and asleep.

I went to visit PAX recently and we had 5 dogs between us, of which some wouldnt get on.

We have managed well (so I feel, wait till PAX tells us otherwise ) No dissasters, no problems, no casualties.

Lock the dogs up if need be, rotate, etc.

[KismetKat]

Ok - I got a bit confused, I thought you were concerned about aggression from your dog toward dog cousins,

ack no - if going by last year the little buggers get on like a house on fire!

Dog/lizard issues when the dogs in question are JRTs, that's a whole different issue..................best of luck with that one!!

*sigh* yes...

I am really leaning towards your "ooh look at that kooka" idea!

as for my dog's 'on dog' issues - i reckon she's been reading these forums - it's those oodles she hates (but only the small ones and only some of them!). It's all so selective and non definable in human terms. If she doesn't like small dogs why so friendly with a couple of chihuauas today? If it is fluffy she doens't like, why so friendly with samoyeds, cockers, poodles and gawd knows what else that hasnt been clipped lately. If it is young she doesn't like, why so sweet with a visiting 9 week old pup?

I am sure the little bugger has been reading the DD threads on this forum.

Edited November 29, 2006 by KismetKat

[Nekhbet]

KK grab the bluetongue and take it down the road to release it and if it comes back well stupid lizard. Sorry but terriers are terriers and your little girl has some in her so they chase them. Its like asking my mastiff not to go chase the demented willy wagtail that teases him... not gonna happen in a hurry.

As for the correction what does the rest of your body do? How is your voice? Rosie is a strong willed little dog and those that havnt met her dont realise what KK has at the end of the lead!!

A lot of people are saying 'dont set your dog up for failure'. What not take your dog where it will make a mistake? Damn my Malinois wouldnt go anywhere. I want my dog to make mistakes when I am around because then I can show her its wrong. Dont lunge at skateboards, dont bark at kids in the park etc etc. You are your dogs leader. When people come to the front door frankly it should be none of Rosie's business, I think the 'its me or the dog' had the right idea. The owner didnt go to the door till the dog settled and then didnt get to meet the guests until it settled. If rosie carries on remove her, make her sit and focus then try introducing again. If she carries on and wont settle put her outside with no attention. Tough. Unfortunately she is still in the situation - around the guests - so she is still getting what she wants. Physical corrections dont work so deprive her of what she wants the most.

[bloss344]

Author McKenna, Martin.

Title The dogman : an expert explains dog sense

Is that the book about the guy who lived with a pack of stray dogs when he was a kid, and asserted his place in the pack by taking to the pack leader with a stick?

[sas]

Bloss....um no....he didn't take to any dog with a stick.

[bridgie_cat]

accept that it was my fault that he was in that position in the first place. The way I see it is that he has a conditioned response to certain situations and can't help this so if I put him in that position, I don't punish him for it as he's only doing what he knows.

but what if we need to change this response - some situations cannot be avoided... or maybe we dont want to have to avoid them. I agree that it is the owners fault for putting them there - but once it has happened I would still tell the dog they did wrong so they didnt think it was an acceptable behaviour... eg if Lana snapped at a child because I let them get too close - I would still tell her off - she doesnt know that it was MY job to stop the kid from being there - she should know it is NOT ok to do that...

hope that made sense lol

[sas]

Yep, that made sense, previously owning an aggressive dog I learnt never to set them up for faliure no matter what....it's something that becomes habbit.

Edited December 1, 2006 by sas

[Flames_Daddy]

Yep, that made sense, previously owning an aggressive dog I learnt never to set them up for faliure no matter what....it's something that becomes habbit.

Good call SAS. You know what you're doing. Listen to SAS people!!

[WorkingHard]

If a big problem is giving an effective correction (I know I will no doubt be critised for this but) why not use a pinch collar for a while untill the she realises you mean business. This should stop any bad habits forming while you are persisting with other forms of training to rectify (sp?) the situation.

As for the lizard...lucky lizard if it is still alive with 2 jacks after it.

[Nekhbet]

cos she's in victoria and we are not allowed to use them

I dont think this dog needs a harder correction, she just needs a little more tough love. She's not a malinois

[KismetKat]

Thanks nekbeht. I didn't mean for this thread to get confused with Rosie's occasional foray into solving the DD issue

I was just worried about the blue tongue.

But as you say, terriers are terriers and the lizard has survived for some months (so far) in a garden with 2 JR crosses already in residence - perhaps rather than 'dumb' lizard it is smarter than we give credit for? Or those JRs are slow...

Look for a "lizard report" when I am back from hols.

[TangerineDream]

The correction needs to be suited to the dog and you may need to try a few before you find one(s) that work for your dog...the ones I use now took me a lot of trial and many errors to discover, and are different to any that I have ever used before on either GSP's or Dobes.

with Tango (now 15 months and as strong as an ox with springs in his feet and no fear in his body, and no pain threshold either) , the correction which is the most effective is to put my hand gently but firmly on the far side of his neck just behind the ears, and growl in a low rumbling way.....stops him in his tracks if he's considering being a lunatic, but I do have to catch him a split second before he starts. If I've missed the opportunity and he's already hit lunatic status, I stop, stand still and silently and steadily tighten the lead until he's against my leg and really has nowhere to go........that extinguishes the behaviour without a word from me (a good thing because I sometimes get annoyed and get loud which doesn't help).

I don't do the alpha roll, but I'm happy to do an 'alpha liedown' if Tango is already on his back on the couch next to me...I just restrain him from getting up till I'm ready to let him up, and that helps too.

Edited December 7, 2006 by TangerineDream

[Arya]

Working setters makes a good point. One dog could be crushed by a disciplinary response while another could just shrug it off, depending on the dog. I'd head to a behaviourist about the aggression problem though, even if you don't perceive it as a problem now. Walking away doesn't always work. Working hard, I'd use a prong collar on my bitch I have now (stand by for the criticism!!!) but my last dog would have fallen in a heap if I'd even raised my voice too loud.

A good behaviourist/trainer was the answer for me

[KismetKat]

I have been working with a trainer - but perhaps the "discipline' is not the right sort for my dog?

I've seen dogs cower at the slightest harsh word, yet, as WD says, other dogs need different discipline. There can be so many different ways to discipline - It would be interesting to hear what different methods DOLers use for their different dogs.

[Staff'n'Toller]

I have been working with a trainer - but perhaps the "discipline' is not the right sort for my dog?

I've seen dogs cower at the slightest harsh word, yet, as WD says, other dogs need different discipline. There can be so many different ways to discipline - It would be interesting to hear what different methods DOLers use for their different dogs.

Perhaps you need to go with your trainee trainer and find the behaviourist that is supposed to be available at training - then you can both learn something.

You're paying for private club obedience training so get your money's worth out of it.

If you want a Vet Behaviourist in particular then I am happy to recommend one via PM. Sounds as though your problems with meeting other dogs are not simple (it never is) you need to be managing her/managing the situation/identifying what her triggers are/learning to identify what may be a problem and removing her BEFORE it becomes a problem and, finally, you need to be training and desensitising and working on her focus so that she can be relaxed and attentive to you as you move closer and closer to other dogs.

It pays to bear in mind that not all dogs have well developed manners, particularly smaller breeds who may not have had the socialisation they needed as pups, and as a result your girl may be reading them quite well. You may also need to trust her a little more.

BTW - There is no alpha rolling or discipline needed in that recipe above (apart from your commitment to helping her) and I have seen it work!!

Mel.

Edited December 10, 2006 by Staff'n'Toller