RealityBites Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 You like??!! Thanks to Flames Daddy! He did a good job huh?! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 N: E collars are the more extreme end of training. K9: Totally disagree with this, I have taught hundreds of people to use the e collar for hundreds of different goals, maybe 20% were for what I would call the "extreme end of training". They can be a very reliable solution to unwanted behaviours around the home to off leash out of control dogs to just getting a reliable recall... You dont have to be an expert to use one, with a little guidance you would be surprised how well people can get results with no side effects to their dog... M: But this was a containment system e-collar, they are supposed to be left on 24/7, aren't they? K9: No, the dog is fitted with the collar for some hours of the day or night where it can learn to respect the boundaries. The other times the dog should be contained in other methods or supervised. Just like starting to wear shoes if you previously worn none, your feet would not fair so well in shoes 24/7. I dont advocate people buying any training tool with out first seeking guidance on how to use it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Carthy Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) Aimhalt On that note, has anyone seen this photo before (page 9)? http://www.advocatesforanimals.org.uk/pdf/...hockcollars.pdf Denis Carthy Sorry Aimhalt, I only just looked in and saw this - yes I know the photograph, the case and I have spoken to the vet concerned - My apologies it's late here in UK so I'll come back on it tommorow, in short that case/photo proves beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever that e-collars are the safest training aid of all time. CU later. Edited November 23, 2006 by Denis Carthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Now I'm feeling very intrigued! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Now I'm feeling very intrigued! As am I, Amhailte. Looking forward to your return to this thread, Denis. I'm in suspenders ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Castle Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Sorry to wander in so late on this topic. I've been using Ecollars for nearly 20 years now. I've taught hundreds of people to use them correctly. I'm one of those people who uses and advocates using the tool at the lowest possible level of stim that works, where the dog first feels it. I've written several articles that will help the complete novice learn to use the tool correctly. www.loucastle.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hi Lou, i think you just scrape by in the qualification department to talk on e-collars, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamuzz Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 He he he! Am I the only one that had a giggle when the article mentioned that on a 1-100 level collar none of the people could stand the pain on level 20 and 35??!! Ummmmm how bad was it on level 1 I wonder??Or ummmm say level 2?? Why would you crank it up to 20 and then shock yourself? I think that just proves that in inexperienced hands (The people testing it) then it is not a good training tool! For anyone with half a brain it works pretty darn well for the trainer AND the dog!!! A collar that goes from level 1 to level 100? Hummmm - anyone actually seen one with that many levels? My antibark collar goes 1 to 7. Looking at their website the Innotek containment system has three levels on the collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippi Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 AimhaltOn that note, has anyone seen this photo before (page 9)? http://www.advocatesforanimals.org.uk/pdf/...hockcollars.pdf Denis Carthy Sorry Aimhalt, I only just looked in and saw this - yes I know the photograph, the case and I have spoken to the vet concerned - My apologies it's late here in UK so I'll come back on it tommorow, in short that case/photo proves beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever that e-collars are the safest training aid of all time. CU later. Whats happened to Denis? Are we all still waiting, waiting, waiting.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 my field pro has 15 levels, there is a dogtra collar with 20 levels. i havent heard of or seen a e-collar with 100 levels of stim, kind of lou i went to a LEO seminar about 6 years ago and you were there. surely you would remember me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 there are dogtras with 100 levels. My dog that is on a 2 on the innotek 15 level collar was at 18-20 on the dogtra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 oops forgot about the rheostat dial. what collar do u prefer myszka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 (edited) innotek becouse of the shape and weight of the collar. plus if for two dogs the remote remembers each dogs lovel, no need to adjust each time Edited December 27, 2006 by myszka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamuzz Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 there are dogtras with 100 levels. How big are the dials? Surely that must be difficult to adjust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 size of about the cap for a pen. impossible to adjust in the dark Id say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I have two toy dogs which i have on and electronic collar containment system, they only wear the collars when they are outside, which being inside dogs isnt much. They are both about 4kg and the collars are tiny and waterproof. From what i have experienced with my system and the photos of Rufus, there has got to be neglect by the owner. BTW I am constanly getting people thinking that they are cruel when i tell them what i have, they have both only had two corrections in the 7months i have had it, and that was in the beginning, i would much prefer that than having my two dogs being hit by a car or attacked by other dogs (we do have fencing aswell but they can escape it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Castle Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 How big are the dials? Surely that must be difficult to adjust? size of about the cap for a pen. impossible to adjust in the dark Id say. The latest and greatest from Dogtra is the 1700 NCP. It has 127 levels but the big news is that it has an LCD readout of the level. It's similar in size and shape to the others in the "Pro" series and has the same sort of dial on top. But on the front of the transmitter there's the LCD that's backlit with a cool blue light that's easily seen at night. The light on the dial comes on when the level is changed, each time a button is pressed or when the on-off switch is quickly pressed and released. This creates some problem for LE but they're easily overcome. I've been using it for nearly a year now and it's replaced all my other units for regular use. As to the original post regarding "Rufus" the photos are real but much of the situation is off base. The collar in use, which hasn't been named as to the brand, was an invisible fence; a member of the Ecollar family but not an Ecollar. The problem came up because the owner didn't bother reading the manual that clearly says not to get it wet. He left the dog out in the rain, the collar got wet and the batteries leaked as they often do when they get wet. The injuries that Rufus suffered were from chemical burns, not from the Ecollar stim. The chemicals that batteries release when they leak are very caustic. Many will have had the experience of having to throw away flashlights when the batteries leaked because they were so badly damaged. No Ecollar available in the US puts out enough current to cause any damage. Damage can result from "pressure necrosis." Because the circulation is impaired under the contact points, if the collar is on too tight to for too long, the skin can actually die. That's why it's recommended that the Ecollar not be left on for more than 8-10 hours and that it be moved around every couple of hours. I've spoken to the vet who treated Rufus. In a letter to his owner she said that the damage was "electrical burns" but she now realizes that she couldn't tell the difference between electrical and chemical burns without a more thorough examination. She now doesn't think that the burns were electrical in nature and she recommends Ecollars for dogs that she thinks will benefit from their use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamuzz Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 The problem came up because the owner didn't bother reading the manual And how often had we heard that particular line. Used to work for a company that had RTFM stuck to the monitor of all the PCs in the training room. (didn't help though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Castle Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Earlier I wrote, The problem came up because the owner didn't bother reading the manual And how often had we heard that particular line. Used to work for a company that had RTFM stuck to the monitor of all the PCs in the training room. (didn't help though) It seems to me that if one fails to read the instructions, one has lost any right to complain if the device doesn't work as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Panther Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 My dogs have Innotek collars, back from the day when we didn't have a front gate, and generally, after the first mild shock, they know that wheneve they hear the beep they are not to get closer. easy. =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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