shoemonster Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 Ok, I would say that at the time great dog was a bit too advanced for me Though I did like the way he taught the turns, etc, with a tug toy Actually that might help me with Eddie's excitement, to get him to tug after a jump (or would that be praising his overexcitement?) I guess if I only did it after a relatively calm jump it would work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) IMO keep up the excitement but make it more controlled, excitement while he does the work smoothly but fast. Rule number one in agility: NEVER SLOW DOWN YOUR DOG Doing the foundation work and for you, esp. working on the fast but controlled flat work with your dog will help overall. Edited October 16, 2006 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 Thought I better clarify what I mean I put Ed in a sit stay and walk to the other side of the jump Tell him over and he comes to be, barking and excited and starts nipping (and sometimes it is all that it takes for him to get excited - 1 jump!) If I stood on the other side with a tug do you think that would help? So the tug comes before he gets a chance to nip and bark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 Rule number one in agility:NEVER SLOW DOWN YOUR DOG I need to be faster then!!!! I will work heaps on the ground work, the jumps ad equipment will only be a minor minor part just so you don't think I am trying to run a whole course with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Really I can't train you over the net. Get those videos and get the foundation work happening. I have learned that overall, agility in Victoria is not as far advanced as it is in NSW, Perth, places like that ... Vic doesn't get the international trainers bringing over the most effective and more recently developed training and handling methods, which a number of handlers learn, and then dilutes outwards. I went to a workshop with Stacy Peardot at Jugiong recently and there were a few Vic teams there - people like them bringing back recent info can only help. ETA: I need to be faster then!!!! No, the answer is that you run a shorter line. Say you have two people running circles, staying about next to each other, but one is running a circle on the inside of the other one. The outer one (the equivalent of the dog) will be going faster and covering more ground. That's how you keep ahead of a fast dog. You take the shorter path. Lateral distance is an essential skill with a fast dog. Make sure you learn all this stuff. ETA (again): When you get the foundation work down, running a course all comes quite simply. It's getting the little pieces right and then putting them together. If the pieces are right, they go together really well. If you have the wrong shaped pieces, or pieces missing, it can end up a mess. Edited October 16, 2006 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Cool, I will save this thread It's becoming hard to get into the good agility clubs, with waiting lists, etc but I'm in no hurry really Thanks for the help I'm on a mission now though to learn about and get the foundations right and make it better for both of us! Edited October 16, 2006 by shoemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) That is a good attitude - have the patience to get things right. It's the ones that want to "run a course" on their first night that end up spending endless time trying to fix problems - if they get them fixed at all. Your dog sounds like he has potential - you will do you both a favour in learning how to develop that in the most effective way. Edited October 16, 2006 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 Yeah my main goal in my own life at the moment is to get some patience and Eddie is sure teaching me about patience lol It is good to have these things to use and test myself with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Reading your post brings back so many memories of when I started with Noah. He was so over the top & barked, jumped up & nipped at me. As Sidoney says, it's hard to diagnose over the internet. Making sure you can run with him is essential, I remember that being part of my solution with Noah. I also ran with a jump pole...not to hit him, LOL, but to protect my space. I got the suggestion from a trainer overseasa & it worked. Tug is a great idea, obviously so long as he already has a tug & more importantly a release. It sounds silly, but once you really make the decision that your dog will never nip at you again...they don't. You may want to look at this seminar: http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/pep-lill/1Rhonda.html It is in Vic in December. I am going to the one in Sydney. I think there are a couple of working spots left in Vic & unlimited auditor spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 lol Glad I'm not the only one with a brat then! He will tug when excited and will release so I might give that a go The pole idea sounds interesting too The seminar looks good, will think about whether or not to do a working spot, might be better for me to not have him there, and to really be able to watch the others and concetrate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Just reread the thread. Sounds like you are not sequencing yet, so a working spot wouldn't be appropriate anyway as sequencing is a prerequisite for a working spot. The good news is...your next agility dog won't ever do these behaviours. My current dog is every bit as motivated, but she's focussed rather than silly. I made sure from day one that she knows she is not to bark at me & under no circumstances is she EVER to nip at me, whether or not my handling is crappy. I know some people won't agree, but I will/would correct any of my dogs if they ever tried to nip at me, it is not acceptable, under any circumstances. Once I adopted that attitude with Noah, he stopped doing it. Edited October 16, 2006 by Vickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 I will make sure I have that attitude, cos at the moment he probably senses I am unsure of how to react to it, and it revs him up more & Ed is my first dog full stop (not even in childhood) so its all a big learning curve for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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