daniel83 Posted October 1, 2006 Author Share Posted October 1, 2006 they just wont come near me ill call them over for treats and walk over slowly with there heads down and kinda sit a little bit away from me they wont get to close . i can go to them, pick them up give them hugs,ect. but they still wont come to me when i call them. ohh, and i guess i should mention that when its me and my girlfriend or me and anyone else including strangers they come to me, lick me, all the normal kinda stuff its funny really there only scared of me when its just me noone else there And a little smack (i tried spraying them with water they licked it:) so i added vineger(a tip from the vet) ad they developed a taste for it ,licking the spray bottle) has stopped them both from digging holes/eating my roses /comming inside/barking/fighting(playing) with each other, well i guess you get the picture like i said there good dogs with no problems apart from them being scared of me thankyou everyone for your help !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaywoman68 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 No i don't let them come inside they know not to, it's funny when we feed them theyll sit at the open door and cry put a paw in the door and NO! and they put there heads down and slowly back up its funny how the new cattle dog kinda learns from the maltese they have very similer personalities So you dont let your dogs inside the house at all?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel83 Posted October 1, 2006 Author Share Posted October 1, 2006 Is there a reason you dont let them insideI was wondering if maybe you let them in at night for a cuddle on the couch that is a bond bouiding excersise I have mine inside when ever I want them in, they also sit at the door and wait until invited in and inside we are quiet, it really gives you some great time together. Maybe you should think about this too As I type this my husband is laying on the floor saying hello to the doggies in thier nicknames and just giving them belly rubs and pats, just them time I am not saying you do but make sure you dont just leave your dogs in the back yard and only go to feed them. They are part of your family. Do they have many toys HAHAHAH yes they has about a million toys my girlfriend spoiles them:) they even have there on toybox:) I guess i was just brought up with dogs outside, i'm atching the footy now. i might bring them inside tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Great idea to bring them in just remeber if they are not used to been inside it might take them a while before they know how you want them to behave inside It might be a good idea to have some treat ready and praise the right behaviour and be ready to distract form the unwanted behavoir, before you bring them in grab some toys remove what you dont want them to have, remeber cups can be knocked over and work out with whoever lives there what the rules are. so no on the couch or yes on the couch, this avoids confusion to the doggies Just took a photo of my husband playing with our lot give me a sec and I will post it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 have to have a good scratch and now we lick dad to say thanks for the scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaywoman68 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Very nice piccies Pandii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birgulparis Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I also believe play time helps form a bond- Are your dogs sensing something from you? When approaching your dogs do you want to play with them or are you just feeling you have to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusky Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 great pics pandii nice to see the dogs getting a cuddle, speaking of cuddles I expect a lot of you will be busy giving skin babies cuddles as we now have school holidays.. off topic? maybe not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Mine skin kids go back to school tomorrow (hooray) who said that? Play time is over now and the dogs are spread out 1 on the couch one at OH feet and 1 at mine Daniel I was brought up as dogs outside too, but after having them in I cant live without them near me. We have to remember we have our lives our jobs our friends, all that to keep us busy our dogs only have us. If you decide not to have your dogs inside all the time thats up to you, but what about a couple of times a day they have inside time with you to enjoy them, then at night you have time with them just inside while youwatch TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog_Horse_Girl Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I hope the introduction to the inside of your home goes/went well. But how does smacking help with the training? How is it working? I reckon it's a fair question that is deserving of an answer. If you don't mind, I'm still waiting for your answer daniel. Please explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Lillysmum, I dont wish to be rude, but if the Op knows nothing but, its up to us to teach the right way I do swat my dogs on the bum to get them to move, especially out of the fridge. I could say I smack them. He is trying to do the right thing here, he is on here asking for help, I mean do you want to have a go at me cos I chain my dogs sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog_Horse_Girl Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 (edited) No Pandii I wouldn't "have a go" at you for chaining your dog - that's your choice and undoubtedly you have a very good reason for doing so. I've asked the particular question more than once b/c the OP has seemingly ignored it. I think it's a fair question that deserves an honest answer. I mean, if it works, then that's great, isn't it? But if it doesn't work, then isn't it good for us to know that so we can offer alternatives? Isn't that part of why this forum exists, for us to help each other through difficulties? Or are we just here to take pot-shots at each other if we disagree with something someone says? I've tried to offer alternatives such as the spray bottle technique, voice correction and physical means (I'm thinking along the lines of lead-bonding, use of crates or x-pens etc) but without knowing the details, it's not easy to make good suggestions. What sort of situations lead to the pups being smacked? How often does the smacking happen? What does the pup do after the smack? Before the smack? How does the correction affect the pup's behaviours? Don't you think it's relevant that I ask this question? If not, why not? The OP is wondering why his dogs don't love him, and perhaps the smacking is completely irrelevant to the equation, but I doubt it. Daniel, where are you? I'd like to try to help. edited for typo Edited October 1, 2006 by lillysmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Ok lillys mum point taken I would like to know the situation in when the smacking occurs, but I have no experience with the OP breed so I can only offer limited advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I would suggest you join and take the dogs to a reward based dog training school. I believe dog's don't choose the wrong behavior to annoy us, we just haven't taught them the right behaviour. Learning is always more fun when it's reward based and their is something in it for the dog. Why would you discipline a pup for playing with it's kennel mate? Hopefully I have misunderstood you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Daniel83 I see you there come and let up know how last night went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 No i don't let them come inside they know not to, it's funny when we feed them theyll sit at the open door and cry put a paw in the door and NO! and they put there heads down and slowly back up its funny how the new cattle dog kinda learns from the maltese they have very similer personalities So you dont let your dogs inside the house at all?????? what is wrong with that? At and Kaos are the first dogs i have had that come inside. Growing up dogs were not allowed inside - As kids we spent all our time outside with the dogs, not inside ignoring them while sitting in front of a TV of computer. I walk/pet sit many dogs that dont come in, they are all friendly and great dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityBites Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Ummm can't I just make a point that is to do with the name of this thread? Dogs Don't LOVE people, they are animals!! However they will respect and enjoy your company as their pack leader. So you can't make a dog 'love' you! Sounds like Daniel has to balance his leadership with having fun with the dogs, playing games etc, being the one to feed them so they see good things as well as dicipline coming from him. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaywoman68 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 No i don't let them come inside they know not to, it's funny when we feed them theyll sit at the open door and cry put a paw in the door and NO! and they put there heads down and slowly back up its funny how the new cattle dog kinda learns from the maltese they have very similer personalities So you dont let your dogs inside the house at all?????? what is wrong with that? At and Kaos are the first dogs i have had that come inside. Growing up dogs were not allowed inside - As kids we spent all our time outside with the dogs, not inside ignoring them while sitting in front of a TV of computer. I walk/pet sit many dogs that dont come in, they are all friendly and great dogs. I never said there's anything wrong! It's just a question I would like answered tis all. Some dogs are people dogs and crave attention. Not being allowed to come inside and then being smacked (for whatever reasons) will not make the dog like you all that much. There's some dogs that adjust better being outside than other dogs. And dont you bloody try to start a fight!!!!! ;) I'm not going to fall for it!!!!! Shame on you! There can be reasons why Daniel doesn't let them in (ie. rental) but as the dogs are only YOUNG and it's vital the puppies get heaps of attention and socialisation.... Why does he smack them? In what circumstances? ie. Can it be because they put their paws on the screen door or because they bark????? Hi, We have two puppies a maltese cross(1yr old but still a puppy) and a 3 month old cattle dog cross both are well behaved and fairly obedient dogs, but are both scared of me and i have no idea why, my girlfriend spoils them and im the one who usually tells them no and gives them a smack, I've tried everything i can think of , anybody got any idea's? Daniel, You mentioned you've tried everything you can think of to make them 'love' you? WHAT have you tried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 No i don't let them come inside they know not to, it's funny when we feed them theyll sit at the open door and cry put a paw in the door and NO! and they put there heads down and slowly back up its funny how the new cattle dog kinda learns from the maltese they have very similer personalities So you dont let your dogs inside the house at all?????? what is wrong with that? At and Kaos are the first dogs i have had that come inside. Growing up dogs were not allowed inside - As kids we spent all our time outside with the dogs, not inside ignoring them while sitting in front of a TV of computer. I walk/pet sit many dogs that dont come in, they are all friendly and great dogs. I never said there's anything wrong! It's just a question I would like answered tis all. Some dogs are people dogs and crave attention. Not being allowed to come inside and then being smacked (for whatever reasons) will not make the dog like you all that much. There's some dogs that adjust better being outside than other dogs. And dont you bloody try to start a fight!!!!! I'm not going to fall for it!!!!! Shame on you! ;) I know you want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloss344 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 they just wont come near me ill call them over for treats and walk over slowly with there heads down and kinda sit a little bit away from me they wont get to close . i can go to them, pick them up give them hugs,ect. but they still wont come to me when i call them. And a little smack (i tried spraying them with water they licked it:) so i added vineger(a tip from the vet) ad they developed a taste for it ,licking the spray bottle) has stopped them both from digging holes/eating my roses /comming inside/barking/fighting(playing) with each other, well i guess you get the picture like i said there good dogs with no problems apart from them being scared of me thankyou everyone for your help !! Hi Daniel, Have you tried sitting on the ground with treats and calling them over. When they come, you use a high pitched [your happy voice] to say, 'good dog, good dog, yes!' Make it fun, act a bit of fool. They sound like they are a little anxious at the moment. One thing you want more than anything is for a dog to have a good recall. It's never to early to start. My Bob took quite a while to warm up to my OH. Some dog's just prefer females. You and your girlfriend also need to be consistent, sharing the discipline and the good stuff. As RealityBites said, don't don't actually 'love' you, but you need respect and they can be extremely devoted. I don't smack my dogs, but there are times I'm tempted with my OH's kelpie. ;) All my training and retraining is done with positive reinforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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