bowser Posted September 17, 2006 Author Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) Thanks Bloss - I have bought some rice flour so will see what I can come up with for biscuits. And thanks Dodgy Doggy - I knew that, but your help is still appreciated Edited September 17, 2006 by bowser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fido666 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hi Bowser, I have an IBD afflicted dog, confirmed by endoscopy by an internal medicine specialist. We mucked around with various tests and meds for ages, the bouts of vomitting and diarhheoa had been going on for most of his 2 years. My dog just kept losing weight, all his ribs were sticking out and he was just so skinny it made me cry. Finally I demanded a specialist consult which my vet arranged to be done at the local surgery. I have also worked out through elimination that he is intolerant of chicken protein and also lamb and other fatty meats. My vet reccommended Hills Z/D Ultra even though this contains chicken. She explained that the chicken protein is hydrolized, a process which destroys the nasties. While he has been fine on that. it is expensive ($88 for a 7kg bag) and can only be bought from the vet. I have recently switched to Eagle Pack Holistic Duck & Oatmeal alternatng with Nutrience Holistic Duck based formula. The folks at EP advised the anchovy one is the most hypo allergenic according to their vet in the US but with 3 protein sources to contend with I decided to try the duck one instead. They supplied heaps of samples of both too which was nice of them. So far we have had no dramas with either the EP or Nutrience, I alternate them for variety. Duncan is on a mainly beef based diet but does get rice or pasta and vegies, I generally feed the dry for brekkie for a bit of crunchy stuff. Provided you work out which proteins set your dog off and manage his diet accordingly it is possible to keep IBD under control. I would want the IBD confirmed by an endoscopy though, lest it be something else entirely. Good luck with the search. Regards, Corine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasha Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Hi, I think the Eukanuba has a fish and potato diet. It is made for use in an elimination trial. Also, maybe the chicken fat would be OK as it is usually the animal PROTEIN that causes the reaction and I don't think fat has protein in it. There is also a supercoat 'senstive'. Not sure of the ingredients though. I have a very allergic dog and it helped. unfortunately things like special diets tdo cost a bit extra but when you do it ofr your dog it is worth it. Sometimes it is only for a short time to find the actual problem then cheaper options can be tried. You will not be able to try the food that ASHKA suggested as it it illegal to import pet food into Australia without certain permits. Just so you don't pay for it and find it gets confiscated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashka Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) You will not be able to try the food that ASHKA suggested as it it illegal to import pet food into Australia without certain permits. Just so you don't pay for it and find it gets confiscated. New Zealand made ZiwiPeak is available in Aussie and the USA which is why I mentioned it Best. Edited September 20, 2006 by Ashka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) have you tried the natural balance dog food ? it's a lamb and rice food, and you can get it from www.pricelesspets.com.au Edited September 20, 2006 by larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShesaLikeableBiBear Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Natural Balance also has chicken fat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowser Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 I think it is definately the fat that he has a problem with, as he has vomited every time in the past after eating anything with too much fat in it. I asked my vet about the aspergillus in the Eagle Pack and she suggested I contact the company as aspergillus niger, one of the ingredients, has been known to cause significant health problems in dogs. She was baffled as to why anyone would knowingly put aspergillus in food considering how bad it can be. I will contact Eagle Pack (or attempt to) and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 hesapandabear-where does natural balance have chicken fat ? from what i can read, it doesn't have chicken fat ? http://www.naturalbalance.net.au/products.php one thing-animals tend to be allergic to the protein components of foods ie a dog may be allergic to chicken, but not affected by chicken fat, if the fat has been filtered to remove meat particles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShesaLikeableBiBear Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Larry It would appear that you are talking about one product and the other is Natural Balance, Dick Van Patten's, where the ingredients list contains Chicken Fat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 hi hesapandabear that explains it.... the australian natural balance doesn't have any chicken chicken is quite cheap in the USA compared to other meats, so it's a popular meat source for pet food..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensmyst00 Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach has absolutely no Chicken or chicken by products in it at all. It also doesnt contain any wheat either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catzatsea Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Eagle Pack Holistic Select® Anchovy, Sardine & Salmon Meal Formula We went through the elimination diet with Spud and tried The Eagle Pack Holistic Select out of fustration more then anything - well the good news is that he thrives off it. The bad news is we cannot vary his diet whatsoever otherwise we get vomitting and poops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 (edited) Mine's currently on a special diet. No vomiting (exception below) but he has had three bouts of diarrhoea in two months. The vet said that the vast majority of kibble has all types of animal products even if the pack says they don't. I'm feeding him steamed mince turkey and pumpkin as these aren't foods he's had before and turkey isn't a kibble ingredient. He's gobbled it up. This latest bout is after he had a marrowbone last week. The vet thinks he has a food intolerance and has sent off a fecal sample for testing. The vet mentioned that it was possible he had a low-grade IBD. I'm just hoping for a intolerance to fat so he can go back on his mince and supercoat diet. *He did vomit tonight after eating something icky that was in the yard. Can't even let him out to do a wee for cryin' out loud. Since he vomited it up straightaway and otherwise seemed fine, I rang the vet who advised not to feed him and just give him his pink tummy settling medicine and his anti-biotics. I keep getting, "Mum, I'm starving" looks. Edited September 21, 2006 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Interesting what the vet said about packaging labels...i was of the understanding that due to Australian Laws all ingrediants have to be listed in order of amount. Can sometimes be a matter of working out what the technobabble means tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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