m575 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 k...i got 2 JRT's the other day and they are both females...today and yesterday they started fighting...like....i dunno if they are playing or not :'( they are wagging there tails but also growling....grapping eachother by the neck and ears...and face area...and its really annoying....i get soooo annoyed at em...just before i locked them into the bathroom...and i think theyve stopped...is it an attention thing? they are 9 weeks me thinks...is it cozza the teething aswell??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 they could be playing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuWPEf6SzMs That is a video of my 2 playing, the NEVER stop!! The staffy makes so much noise, it sounds like they are fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shekhina Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 (edited) Sounds like they're playing to me. Unless one is backing down and screaming for the other to stop let them play. My two get on the floor and "sing" to each other, making these very cute high pitched throat noises. It's not often they have a full-blown argument, it's very easy to tell play fighting and full on fighting apart. When my guys are arguing over something they'll come up on their back legs and the hackles come up, the lips curl and you see the whites of their eyes. The growling noise changes. If you hear it you'll hear the difference between fighting and playing. Edited September 9, 2006 by shekhina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m575 Posted September 9, 2006 Author Share Posted September 9, 2006 lol...yeah....they may be playing...sorta looked like the vid....only the one on the ground in the vid looked a bit calm copared ta my two...i guess they will calm down a tad wen there teeth are alright and yeha....we just took em for a walk and the wer biting at there feet aswell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 (edited) Yep, Atlas is very calm!! She does anything to him and he lets her Edited September 9, 2006 by TrustMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindura Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 jack puppys can get very rough in play and look as though they are really fighting, as long as one does not appear to being bullied, they are most likely fine. are they litter sisters, i have found that jrt litter sisters can have a tendency to fight as adults. Seperating them for time during the day will benefit both of them, and try to give each one some one on one attention, so that they learn to bond with you and simply do not develop a pack dog mentilty with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m575 Posted September 10, 2006 Author Share Posted September 10, 2006 yeah...they are litter sisters....they are getting better...we are doing things so that they frgt about fighting and stuff..lol..they do get 1 on 1 time...coz i take mine and ma sis takes hers and we play with em...lol...and make em sleep:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) You will need to be watchful as they get older, two dogs of the same sex don't always get on and this can be especially true of the terrier breeds, a fight between bitches can be very nasty. I'm not trying to worry you or anything, but be vigilant and watch their body language. Edited September 10, 2006 by Miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoilt lab lives here Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 You will be need to be watchful as they get older, two dogs of the same sex don't always get on and this can be especially true of the terrier breeds, a fight between bitches can be very nasty. I'm not trying to worry you or anything, but be vigilant and watch their body language. I have had an experience with 2 females getting nasty. Last yr Holly my BC pup attacked Sasha 10yrs JRTX silky terrier , if Sasha did roll in submissivness she would have been ripped apart by holly. Holly had showed some aggression to other dogs on her daily walks, but none to sasha 3 days after my birthday Holly (8 months old at the time) went sasha(now 10), after we eventually got hol off sash i locked her in the dog pen to cool off. Checked sasha over and she didnt break skin(i dont know how except for the rolling). Next day put sash inside and let holly out and holly went her THROUGH THE DOOR! I was devestated i loved her os much and she went and did that. After that i wanted to know why she attacked her, what caused her to do that, what i did to cause her to do that. 12 months on and i know how many mistakes i made with her. Ive learnt soooooooooo much from then, i now have a beautiful labrador ramses and he and sash are great friends. Ramses goes to training every week, he is extremely well socialised and i have made sure that he has a sound temprement to grow into a sound adult dog. He is 8 months and 25kgs, Sahsa is 10 yrs and 7 kgs and she is top dog, he knows he is under her in the pack. Sahsa is so scared around female dogs now she rolls and her belly when the female ddog looks at her so to cause her less stress she is never around female dogs unless on our walks and even then she still yelps and is quite scared of them. I dont mean to scare you just letting you know what happened to me when i had 2 females together;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaves Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 I have a jrt and a shepx. Mitchi my little feral jrt makes me laugh. She is VERY vocal when she plays. I know the difference between her playing and her being serious. She gets timed out when she is serious. Barker is very lai back and she gets cranky with him sometimes. I would speak to a trainer or behaviouralst and find out what they recommend (sp?) to do to stop this from turning into something more when they are older. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m575 Posted September 10, 2006 Author Share Posted September 10, 2006 yeha..i will probably take em to puppy skewl....after alll the effin shit happening in my life is over and dun with :'( maybe theyll fight at skewl and the teacher will tell me wat to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttaburra Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) They are most likely to be playing, their young age and the fact that they are litter mates is indicative of this. Jack Russell Terriers are full on when they play fight (all puppies play fight by the way), its just that they are so smart, and such great little performers as well as being vocal, they can look pretty convincing. For now it would be desirable to let them play, through playing, they are also testing each other to determine pack order and in the long term this will mean more peaceful relations. As soon as you can determine who is the most dominant pup, start to observe the natural pack order between them, feed "bossy boots first" and "not as bossy" second, pat bossy first and other second, they can both get the same attention, just in a set order, this is what dogs understand. Maxi makes a really annoying "mosquito" sort of growl when playing and Gracie has an annoying yap, and then they will have a great game together. Here's the news: they may not grow out of it, and that is not a bad thing. What you can do, once you are confident that they can play without injury, is just turf them outside to play. Don't keep breaking up the playing, they will 1. Start to recognise is as a way of attention seeking from you. 2. The might not get the chance to sort out who is the highest in the pack between them and get confused, this will cause real conflict. Keep most of your 1 on 1 for training sessions, otherwise, just hang together like a pack. Edited September 10, 2006 by Abergavenny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livi Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 yeha..i will probably take em to puppy skewl....after alll the effin shit happening in my life is over and dun with :'( maybe theyll fight at skewl and the teacher will tell me wat to do Don't want to be mean, but you can't put aside the dogs needs until you sort out your life. Take your dog to puppy school, if it is a financial issue look for an obedience club and join as soon as they allow puppies. They usually have a reasonable joining fee and weekly classes are only a few dollars. Have you and your sister had dogs before ? If so did you train them yourself ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillybob Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 My Gilly when he plays with Bob makes the most dog awefull noises, vocal doesnt describe it. Anyway JRT's are uppity little people so they need to be socialised early and trained early, then when they become annoying bratty adolescents at least you have some training in there to control them. They also get bored so they need to have heaps of exercise and play to keep them busy. Best dogs in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttaburra Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 My Gilly when he plays with Bob makes the most dog awefull noises, vocal doesnt describe it. Anyway JRT's are uppity little people so they need to be socialised early and trained early, then when they become annoying bratty adolescents at least you have some training in there to control them. They also get bored so they need to have heaps of exercise and play to keep them busy. Best dogs in the world. Nicely said GB. Just to add that JRTs require a lot of time and dedication, and getting 2 as pups (any 2 pups of most breeds as well) you will need to be extra vigilant with the training. They are a lot of work but you will get heaps back from them once you start to devote some time to them, they are also very rewarding dogs to raise. I strongy recommend you research the JRT breed as much as possible so you know what to expect. Definitely always on the lead when going for walks. Take care of your precious pups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) Ok, I'll be the first one to ask you to spell correctly and use sentence structure. Using poor spellling such as Skewl makes you look uneducated and more than a little bit silly. 1) Why did you get 2 puppies of the same sex? Did you consider what it would be like when they're mature or maturing? 2) All dogs need training 3) You choose a fairly high maintenece breed.....these guys need mental stimulation & training.....you'll soon find out what happens if you do not provide this. 4) My 2 sound and look like they're fighting when they're playing.....you may want to spend a bit more time with them in these situations so you can interpret for yourself whether it is play or something a bit more than that. Edited September 11, 2006 by sas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Where did you get your pups from, m575? Hopefully you were told by the breeder how dominant JRT bitches can be, lovey, and also told that puppy school is essential! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoilt lab lives here Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Ok, I'll be the first one to ask you to spell correctly and use sentence structure. Using poor spellling such as Skewl makes you look uneducated and more than a little bit silly. Well said, i was trying to put in a way that didnt make me sound like the english department. It is my pet hate so hopefully she takes what you said and types properly 1) Why did you get 2 puppies of the same sex? Did you consider what it would be like when they're mature or maturing? 2) All dogs need training 3) You choose a fairly high maintenece breed.....these guys need mental stimulation & training.....you'll soon find out what happens if you do not provide this. 4) My 2 sound and look like they're fighting when they're playing.....you may want to spend a bit more time with them in these situations so you can interpret for yourself whether it is play or something a bit more than that. Yes was there a reason you got 2 females out of the same litter? They are only young puppies so at the moent they will sound like they are tearing each other to shreds but really they are playing like they did at the breeders house, you could run into problems as they get older with trying to establish the pack structure betweent he two of them and in my experience that is when they tend to form an aggression towards each other,but like i said that was IN MY experinece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m575 Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) Sorry for the long post.... Ok. Sorry about my spelling and grammer, I'm a very slack person when it comes to it! I think a few assumptions are being made here. I am actually going to take them to a puppy school and the pups are number 1 priority. I have spent all my money on them and nothing else for me. I am living off no credit and not buying some things I need and GIVEING UP my formal to be with them and to provide for them. The main reason it will be a few weeks before puppy school is that they still havent had there 2nd vaccinations. We have been looking into a few puppy schools and trainers and were told of one called "Command" or something which is -apparently- really good. My personal life does not get in the way of giving these pups the attention they need ( I don't think I worded that post properly) maybe something along the lines of "I am not looking into puppy schools in great detail YET because I have A LOT on my mind right now and they are too young anyway. We have not had dogs before although we did grow up with one. I don't know what type of dog it was, but it LOVED and protected children and even stood up for them. We are planning on training them properly and might get a trainer to help. These pups actually came from a farm (SHHHH!) but we did get to see the mum, dad and other pups and they were in very good condition and looked after. The lady who we got them from was lovely and they got a vet check before being sold. They could have also provided pedigree papers or something (to prove that they are pure bred?) but didnt because of the (cost?) I know that bitches can grow up to fight and yada but I'm sure they can equally grow up to play nice if trained correctly. I spend a lot of time with these pups and adore them, aswell as my mum and sister. We get up between 5:30 and 6:30 for them! (EVEN ON WEEEKENDS!) and play with them for hours each day. The holidays are right around the corner so they will get even MORE time with us! YAY....sorry for the extra long post and thanks for the advice! Edited September 11, 2006 by m575 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozzie Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hi ya. They are not too young for puppy preschool. Check around the vets in your area. I'd like to see some pics of them please!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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