daccydog Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) Hello again I have posted before, a while ago , about my male dog 18mth old( MINI DACHSHUND) and his dreadful eating habits, by this i mean very fussy when i brought him the breeder said he was eating dried food mixed with little chicken or beef yeah sure... no way would he have a bar of any sought of dried food I have persevered and at times he's driven me mad, he has no problem eating chicken necks, chicken carcass, wont have a bar of lenards pets mince, will eat beef or thigh chicken with white rice & vegs mixed in , i put yoghurt in he's ok .... always worry if he's getting enough "" of the good stuff "'to help with his well being, I have also bought countless bags of expensive dried food to entice him to eat .... then about a month ago I brought a bag of royal canin ...would you believe he actualy eat a couple of busciuts , amazing, but not enough for a meal. i've also heard a dog wont go hungry ,, well he has gone hungry many a time ... can anyone suggest any thing on this very fussy boy Edited September 8, 2006 by daccydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-time Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 i've also heard a dog wont go hungry ,, well he has gone hungry many a time .. Obviously not hungry enough! :D With everything you've tried - and it's obviously been a huge variety of products, he's just not hungry enough A dog will NOT starve themselves to death (unless there is some medical problem) Pick a food you are happy to feed him and give him one meal. If he hasn't eaten it in 15 minutes, take it away (and throw it away, give it to your chickens if you are lucky enough to have them ) Next meal time and not before, offer him another meal (of the same kibble or whatever you want to feed). If he hasn't eaten it in 15 minutes, take it away. And keep doing that every day until he eats it! He WILL get hungry and he WILL eat it! :D Too many choices or the "ooh baby you haven't had any dinner, you must be starving here's a little bit of steak" - will get you nowhere! ;) Dogs can survive for a LONG time without being fed but we humans feed our dogs every day because we think it's the right thing to do. Your dog is not hungry. When he is, he will eat. Good luck with those big brown begging eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 t-time! Oh and of course, provided you are feeding a good mix of raw food, kibble really isn't necessary for all dogs anyway. Unfortunately, many dog owners turn their own dogs into finicky eaters by offering a menu selection instead of simply offering one balanced meal and removing it if not eaten in a reasonable timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 What T-Time and Ellz said :D You can either go a raw diet and see how that goes (Dr Billinghurst's books are the way to go ) Or try the tough love thing with the dry food - don't give him any of the wet/raw foods until he's eating the dry food happily else you'll end up back where you started. Stick the kibble in a bowl and offer it for breaky - give him 10mins to eat and if he doesn't then take it away - don't give him anything else, no treats no nothing - offer the bowl of dry food again for dinner...again 10mins to eat, if he still doesn't then take it away again - continue the next day. It can sometimes take 48hours for a dog to realise you aren't going to cave in to their whims and eat - when they doo have the next several days as just dry food then slowly re-introduce whatever else you want to give him I did this with my GSD pup when he was 4months - he tried the 'i'm not going to eat that! I want something else!" trick that early...lol...so with some 'tough love' he hasn't turned down anything since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 They won't starve themselves... My lad had to change (because of a medical condition) from all meat and veges to half specialised kibble and half meat and veges(actually about 90% of it is veges)... He had never eaten kibble in his life and when it was first put down, he would leave it... It took nearly a week before he was so hungry that he just ate it and has been eating it ever since... Good luck, sounds like you have a stubborn pooch - but he will learn that you are the boss if you stick with it... Cheers Jodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bini Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Hello again I have posted before, a while ago , about my male dog 18mth old( MINI DACHSHUND) and his dreadful eating habits, by this i mean very fussy when i brought him the breeder said he was eating dried food mixed with little chicken or beef yeah sure... no way would he have a bar of any sought of dried food I have persevered and at times he's driven me mad, he has no problem eating chicken necks, chicken carcass, wont have a bar of lenards pets mince, will eat beef or thigh chicken with white rice & vegs mixed in , i put yoghurt in he's ok .... always worry if he's getting enough "" of the good stuff "'to help with his well being, I have also bought countless bags of expensive dried food to entice him to eat .... then about a month ago I brought a bag of royal canin ...would you believe he actualy eat a couple of busciuts , amazing, but not enough for a meal. i've also heard a dog wont go hungry ,, well he has gone hungry many a time ... can anyone suggest any thing on this very fussy boy Oh yeah...GO THE DACHSY How I remember that from my Ruben boy...used to have to handfeed him his dry food :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiffanyAmber Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 I dont see any problems. How much are you feeding him. Is he losing weight? WTF............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog_Horse_Girl Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 (edited) I agree that dogs don't need processed foods, and as long as you are offering a good variety of raw foods, there shouldn't be a problem. I feed my dogs on raw, whole foods and have done for a few years now. I feed fosters on kibble b/c most ppl feed processed foods. I have found the major differences are: 1. Dogs on processed foods stink. They really do stink. They fart, their skin/coat smells "doggy", and their saliva and breath smells more strongly than dogs fed a natural diet. 2. Dogs on processed foods go to the toilet more often. They pass more bowel motions and much more urine than dogs on a natural diet. 3. Dogs on processed foods drink a heck of a lot more than those fed on a natural diet. That's b/c processed foods (kibbles) don't contain much moisture and the dog has to make up for this by drinking copiously. Consequently they can also take longer to house train and often can't "hold it" all day, whereas a dog on a natural diet can manage indoors all day without a problem. 4. Dogs on processed foods don't seem to get the same joy from eating as those fed on a natural diet. There's no "work" in eating a bowl of kibble, but give a dog a raw bone and not only do they get a meal, they have a great time eating it! 5. Dogs on processed foods have dirtier teeth b/c kibble doesn't clean their teeth/gums. Dogs on natural diets generally have much cleaner teeth and gums b/c chewing and gnawing on raw bones is a natural "toothbrush" for dogs. 6. Dogs on processed foods often seem "hungry all the time". I suspect this is b/c they eat so quickly that their brain doesn't register that they've had a meal. Whereas a dog with a bone may take 15 minutes or more to eat and their brain gets the "stomach full" message by the time they have finished. The only possible disadvantage is that preparing a good, natural foods diet is a bit more work than opening a bag and scooping out the meal. And if you don't know what you're doing with a natural diet, you may not be feeding your dog on the right mix of foods in the right quantities for optimal health. The first can't be overcome but the second can with decent research and a willing spirit! And you will find shortcuts in food prep when you get to know what you're doing...but that doesn't happen overnight. HTH. :D Edited September 9, 2006 by lillysmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabrador Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 (edited) 6. Dogs on processed foods often seem "hungry all the time". I suspect this is b/c they eat so quickly that their brain doesn't register that they've had a meal. Whereas a dog with a bone may take 15 minutes or more to eat and their brain gets the "stomach full" message by the time they have finished. Lillysmum of all the stuff you've posted that has to be the biggest load of bull I've read. I am a fan of raw diets... but a dog fed on kibble is going to register that it's full eventually. How silly to suggest that because they may eat quickly they never ever feel full. The time to register fullness is the same regardless of what they are eating, it's just that a bone may take longer to eat, therefore registering "full" might happen closer to the meal. I have two labradors, one will eat a piece of brisket and two chicken wings way faster than the other will eat a bowl of kibble. Where's your theory now?? Edited September 9, 2006 by blacklabrador Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Wow Lillysmum...don't know what processed foods you fosters etc were fed...because my boys don't seem to have any of the problems you described and they are fed mostly a commercial diet... 1. Dogs on processed foods stink. They really do stink. They fart, their skin/coat smells "doggy", and their saliva and breath smells more strongly than dogs fed a natural diet. My dogs only get a doggy smell when i've been slack and haven't brushed them when they are dropping coat...the only get a bath at most 4 times a year...and don't smell or stink as you put it...or fart for that matter. When my GSD was on BARF he smelled...of meat and bone if he hadn't cleaned his forelegs enough to get the 'leftovers' off. 2. Dogs on processed foods go to the toilet more often. They pass more bowel motions and much more urine than dogs on a natural diet. Again i would have to put that down to the quality of food being fed...my dogs poo a shortish period of time after eating and that's about it - they are fed a high quality kibble. As to drinking...well...they drink and pee more in summer...but i put that down to the fact it's freakin hot here in summer. . Dogs on processed foods drink a heck of a lot more than those fed on a natural diet. That's b/c processed foods (kibbles) don't contain much moisture and the dog has to make up for this by drinking copiously. Consequently they can also take longer to house train and often can't "hold it" all day, whereas a dog on a natural diet can manage indoors all day without a problem. My two GSD's have been toilet trained from about 8-10 weeks old...in fact at 10weeks Sabre was working with me day in day out as i wasn't willing to leave him at home, for all that he was eating and drinking thru the day he refused to go to the toilet even tho given the opportunity numerous times thru the day. However would wait till he got home. None of my dogs have had issues 'holding on' when required. Mind you i do give them loo and drink breaks as i don't keep water inside for them - due to their enjoyment of playing in water and my cats enjoyment of knocking water over. When i do my weekend work and Sabe is left home he is crated inside - and has no problem 'holding on'. 4. Dogs on processed foods don't seem to get the same joy from eating as those fed on a natural diet. There's no "work" in eating a bowl of kibble, but give a dog a raw bone and not only do they get a meal, they have a great time eating it! My dogs woof into their kibble, and lick the last scerrit out of their bowls, sometimes i stuff part of their food into kongs for some variety. However they do get bones regularly...but their enjoyment is somewhat limited by the fact they feel they have to eat it so quickly in case the other dog gets it - mind you both are separated when they have bones. 5. Dogs on processed foods have dirtier teeth b/c kibble doesn't clean their teeth/gums. Dogs on natural diets generally have much cleaner teeth and gums b/c chewing and gnawing on raw bones is a natural "toothbrush" for dogs. My dogs have beautiful clean teeth and always have - even my old boy Harm (RIP) and he was fed a kibble diet his entire life...and a cheap kibble for most of it at that. My boys get bones regularly...but not enough to put that down to their lovely clean white teeth. I have seen some dogs recently that have a diet of almost jsut bones who have quite worn teeth and that's at only an age of 4 and 6 yrs. However I do believe bones should be part of every dogs diet (except for those dogs who can't have them due to such causing problems, eg compacted bowel) 6. Dogs on processed foods often seem "hungry all the time". I suspect this is b/c they eat so quickly that their brain doesn't register that they've had a meal. Whereas a dog with a bone may take 15 minutes or more to eat and their brain gets the "stomach full" message by the time they have finished. My dogs seem hungry all the time anyway...just wave a treat around and they act as if they have never eaten However when my GSD was on Barf he was eating well over the amount he was supposed to get, was always hungry and looked very underfed - however Barf didn't work for him...a shame but so be it. As to the 'full feeling' dogs take a lot to get that...eg instinct is to eat as much now just in case there isn't more later - and most dogs are still like that today. My old boy Harm could put away a large roo tail or lamb neck away in under 5 mins and come looking for more, and i always picked the big ones knowing how he could put them away. A Raw/Barf diet is fantastic...if it works for your dog and yourself. And same with a processed diet...if it works for your dog and yourself then it is fantastic also. Or go with a mix of each if that works for you nad your dog. Just do your research and go from there, don't let anyone push you into a direction, or feel pressured into feeding a way you aren't sure about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Yes my Collies are EaglePack Holistic dry food eaters with chicken frames. No smell, no copious poos etc. Have you tried warming his food in the microwave for day 15 seconds with a bit of homemade gravy on it? Works for every fussy eater I have known of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bommy Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 I agree that dogs don't need processed foods, and as long as you are offering a good variety of raw foods, there shouldn't be a problem. I feed my dogs on raw, whole foods and have done for a few years now. I feed fosters on kibble b/c most ppl feed processed foods. I have found the major differences are: 1. Dogs on processed foods stink. They really do stink. They fart, their skin/coat smells "doggy", and their saliva and breath smells more strongly than dogs fed a natural diet. 2. Dogs on processed foods go to the toilet more often. They pass more bowel motions and much more urine than dogs on a natural diet. 3. Dogs on processed foods drink a heck of a lot more than those fed on a natural diet. That's b/c processed foods (kibbles) don't contain much moisture and the dog has to make up for this by drinking copiously. Consequently they can also take longer to house train and often can't "hold it" all day, whereas a dog on a natural diet can manage indoors all day without a problem. 4. Dogs on processed foods don't seem to get the same joy from eating as those fed on a natural diet. There's no "work" in eating a bowl of kibble, but give a dog a raw bone and not only do they get a meal, they have a great time eating it! 5. Dogs on processed foods have dirtier teeth b/c kibble doesn't clean their teeth/gums. Dogs on natural diets generally have much cleaner teeth and gums b/c chewing and gnawing on raw bones is a natural "toothbrush" for dogs. 6. Dogs on processed foods often seem "hungry all the time". I suspect this is b/c they eat so quickly that their brain doesn't register that they've had a meal. Whereas a dog with a bone may take 15 minutes or more to eat and their brain gets the "stomach full" message by the time they have finished. The only possible disadvantage is that preparing a good, natural foods diet is a bit more work than opening a bag and scooping out the meal. And if you don't know what you're doing with a natural diet, you may not be feeding your dog on the right mix of foods in the right quantities for optimal health. The first can't be overcome but the second can with decent research and a willing spirit! And you will find shortcuts in food prep when you get to know what you're doing...but that doesn't happen overnight. HTH. LM, with all due respect, there is disadvantages to feeding a natural raw diet.. I have been through it, lived with it & it is not something I ever would wish anyone to go through. BARF or RAW diets based on BOVINE will & can cause neospora in dogs. I have had several friends lose dogs to this after feeding raw & I too had to deal with it... no short cuts in preparation were ever taken. If you are going to recommend foods you should do so objectively advising the total disadvantages of feeding a total raw diet as well as just bashing the crap out of kibble & singing the praise of it... in Dec 2004 - Jan/Feb 2005 10 dogs in australia (that I alone know of) died because of neospora as a result of a total BARF diet, some of these dogs were in their prime.. The fact also that neospora has been researched to have links with fading puppy syndrome, is a worry as well as the fact that in many cases it is misdiagnosed as the testing involved in IgA levels is expensive so many vets dont readily send away for it unless owners request it means that some of the dogs that are dying of "pneumonia" are actually misdiagnosed. When asked what to feed give your input by all means, BUT be objective I could sit here & give everyone who posts asking about teh raw diet the WHOLE portfolio on why they shouldn't but I dont, I advise them to research & do what suits them & their dog best.. not what suits me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Unless your dacshund is thin, or unwell, why not let him continue to eat what he has been having? It doesn't look too bad, and he has voted with his mouth against what he doesn't like. Because he is a dog doesn't mean he can't have food tastes. If he was my boy, I'd simply feed him what he likes, not having what he wont eat wont kill him. You may be able to broaden the scope of his food somewhat by trying more things which he will probably eat. From personal experience, I know daccies are very strong willed, and it may be better to bend a little, than to try to impose a food regime on him which he dislikes. My daccy, which had very selective tastes lived until 23 years on a raw diet, so don't despair. He is already getting a reasonably balanced diet - beef/chicken/veges/yoghurt -- add sardines once a week, an egg, maybe a change of veges, leave out the rice (which he doesn't need, dogs are not natural carbohydrate eaters). He is basically getting pretty good diet now. Why not go to the BARF website, and have a look there? It will give you some ideas, and I am sure he will eat different raw foods, which can only be good. Remember, the trick is balance - if he isn't getting something he needs today in his diet, and he has a good choice, he will probably get it tomorrow. Don't sweat the BARF thing - meat, bones, vegs or fruit, yoghurt or cottage cheese, a bit of fish. Lilysmum 1. Dogs on processed foods stink. They really do stink. They fart, their skin/coat smells "doggy", and their saliva and breath smells more strongly than dogs fed a natural diet. Is this your opinion, or do you have some facts and figures to back this up. By "processed foods", to what precisely do you refer? Tins? Dry food? Which brands? 2. Dogs on processed foods go to the toilet more often. They pass more bowel motions and much more urine than dogs on a natural diet. How much more and how often? What additional volume do they pass? Urine and bowel output - for both natural and processed diets please - also please specify which types of processed food 3. Dogs on processed foods drink a heck of a lot more than those fed on a natural diet. That's b/c processed foods (kibbles) don't contain much moisture and the dog has to make up for this by drinking copiously. Consequently they can also take longer to house train and often can't "hold it" all day, whereas a dog on a natural diet can manage indoors all day without a problem. Are the dogs you refer to in perfect health, or do they have kidney problems? Again, please direct us to the studies which prove this. Volume of water consumed by dog on dry food compared to volume consumed by dogs on raw diets? 4. Dogs on processed foods don't seem to get the same joy from eating as those fed on a natural diet. There's no "work" in eating a bowl of kibble, but give a dog a raw bone and not only do they get a meal, they have a great time eating it! Did you ask the dog? Or, did you get scientific, and ask the person who will speak to your dog for $300 to ask the dog? If not, your reasons for saying this are?? 5. Dogs on processed foods have dirtier teeth b/c kibble doesn't clean their teeth/gums. Dogs on natural diets generally have much cleaner teeth and gums b/c chewing and gnawing on raw bones is a natural "toothbrush" for dogs. Please quote type of processed foods, and statistical results of scientific survey? 6. Dogs on processed foods often seem "hungry all the time". I suspect this is b/c they eat so quickly that their brain doesn't register that they've had a meal. Whereas a dog with a bone may take 15 minutes or more to eat and their brain gets the "stomach full" message by the time they have finished. Quite a few dogs "seem hungry all the time" no matter what they are fed. Most dogs I know would continue to eat until they could hold no more, given a choice, and eat again as soon as they could. I am sure you have the results of the scientific studies, and statistics you have used to make the above statements to hand, to be able to give such detailed reasons why raw is best. So, I know it wont be any problem for you to post those results here so we can all be well educated. I look forward to it. Bommy When asked what to feed give your input by all means, BUT be objective I could sit here & give everyone who posts asking about teh raw diet the WHOLE portfolio on why they shouldn't but I dont, I advise them to research & do what suits them & their dog best.. not what suits me. Exactly - I feed mostly raw - but others feed "processed foods" with good results - we each have our reasons for feeding as we do. I don't see much point in vehemently criticising a method of feeding which we don't use, and don't like!! We should be presenting our opinions, not a diatribe. Considering there are scientific studies for and against each type of food, and as well, we all have our own opinions based on experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog_Horse_Girl Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) 6. Dogs on processed foods often seem "hungry all the time". I suspect this is b/c they eat so quickly that their brain doesn't register that they've had a meal. Whereas a dog with a bone may take 15 minutes or more to eat and their brain gets the "stomach full" message by the time they have finished. Lillysmum of all the stuff you've posted that has to be the biggest load of bull I've read. I am a fan of raw diets... but a dog fed on kibble is going to register that it's full eventually. How silly to suggest that because they may eat quickly they never ever feel full. The time to register fullness is the same regardless of what they are eating, it's just that a bone may take longer to eat, therefore registering "full" might happen closer to the meal. I have two labradors, one will eat a piece of brisket and two chicken wings way faster than the other will eat a bowl of kibble. Where's your theory now?? It's my experience. You obviously have a different experience and that's fine. I'm only relating my experience with my own dogs and the fosters I've had here. It's no "theory" as you imply or suggest, but my observations. Is that not as valid as your own observations or experiences? Thanks for sharing your POV - I'm sure it's appreciated by many! ETA - there's nothing "scientific" about my observations as I've already stated, they're MY observations of the differences between my dogs (fed raw, whole foods) and foster dogs (fed a good quality kibble - either Dick van Patten's Natural Balance organic formula or the appropriate Nutrience kibble for the dog's age/breed/size). I usually mixed the two kibbles together rather than feeding just one or the other b/c I found that worked quite well. I simply observed that when Jackie was here she drank a LOT of water, made a LOT of poo and piddled quite a bit in comparison to my dogs' habits. She had the "doggy smell" whereas mine don't. Her teeth were fantastic but she was only six months old when rescued from the pound so her adult teeth had only recently erupted. I understand that many here disagree with feeding raw, whole foods and that's fine. I realise there can be problems with such diets if people don't do sufficient research, buy their feed from questionable sources, or are lazy or sloppy with food handling and preparation and storage, but that's not to say that this type of feeding regime doesn't work well for those that are willing and able to put in the research and effort to prepare a balanced and nutritious raw foods diet for their dog/s. I hope this helps. :D Edited September 10, 2006 by lillysmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 I understand that many here disagree with feeding raw, whole foods and that's fine. I don't disagree with feeding raw/barf...i think it's great if it works for the dog and the owner. I realise there can be problems with such diets if people don't do sufficient research I did a lot of research into it before i decided to feed my GSD a barf/raw diet. buy their feed from questionable sources, The meaty bones my dogs got were all of human consumption quality, the premade stuff was perhaps a different matter due to my not seeing exactly what went into it. Vegies and fruit were also of human consumption quality. or are lazy or sloppy with food handling and preparation and storage, I actually bought a chest freezer specifically for my dogs food, and everything they were given had been frozen first due to the fact i prefer to do so with any meat coming into my household...for me or my dogs. Storage was as if for my own food as with handling and preparation - mind you their food preparation was of a larger scale then mine. but that's not to say that this type of feeding regime doesn't work well for those that are willing and able to put in the research and effort to prepare a balanced and nutritious raw foods diet for their dog/s. I never said that it doesn't work well....i said it doesn't work if it doesn't suit your dog. Barf/Raw did not suit my GSD - there were no supposed money savings because i was having to feed so bleeding much to my dog to keep him from looking like he came out of a POW camp. As it was he still looked very underfed. His coat was harsh and crappy and all in all he was out of condition. IT did not matter how much effort and research i put into it - i was doing it by the book except where i tried finding new protien sources that would perhaps ease Bronx's issues on the Barf/raw diet...to no avail. Within a few weeks of being on a high quality processed (dry) diet with raw on the side he was a new dog...and looked as healthy as a young dog should. It's my experience. You obviously have a different experience and that's fine. I'm only relating my experience with my own dogs and the fosters I've had here. It's no "theory" as you imply or suggest, but my observations. Is that not as valid as your own observations or experiences? Yes but you make out that what you say is FACT...Proven Fact which it is not. No one would have a problem with your advice and sharing of experiances if it wasn't for the fact that you don't give a fair indication of the diets. Eg you make out that a dog will be severely unhealthy, will stink and fart, will have rotten teeth, will be very hard to toilet train, won't enjoy life and will constantly be hungry if you feed anything other then a BARF/Raw diet - which just isn't the case. Again i could give you examples of dogs that have done badly on barf/raw - and i could give just as many examples of dogs that have done badly on a commercial diet. I can give more good news stories regarding both types of feeding. Each dog is different...feed what suits the dog be that raw/barf/kibble/tinned/whatever - don't feed to suit some person on a computer, or who lives downthe street, or who sees your dog on occasion. Feed what suits the dog and yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabrador Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 The problem is Lilysmum, that you state your opinions as though they are fact. If you state them as your experience and opinions it will all be a lot more plausible. If you know a whole lot about natural diets and you want to educate others then I suggest that you do your research well so your information is accurate, not just based on your own individual dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog_Horse_Girl Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 I did state that it was my own experience with my own dogs and my fosters. Where did I say it was "proven fact" KK? Where did I say it was "scientific"? I don't think I said either of those things...please correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 No, Lilysmum, you categorically stated that whatever you said in each sentence was FACT. 1. Dogs on processed foods stink. They really do stink. They fart, their skin/coat smells "doggy", and their saliva and breath smells more strongly than dogs fed a natural diet. This is only one of your remarks. Every statement in the above is written as a statement of absolute and impermeable fact. There is definitely no indication that it is only your personal opinion, and your experience with one dog. I am not going to rehash your whole post. Every statement you have written is a statement of fact, and nowhere have you indicated that this is simply your personal opinion. It is obvious that you have written the post as facts, when they are not. Several posters have pointed this out to you. I feed my dogs on raw, whole foods and have done for a few years now. I feed fosters on kibble b/c most ppl feed processed foods. I have found the major differences are: How many dogs? What sort of kibble? You should clarify, and try harder in future not to come across as the hudu guru of dog feeding. Bommy, for instance has found the major difference between raw and dry is that her dog died from eating raw food, and many others die as well, but I notice she tempers her statements with comments about that being her opinion. Although she has PROOF that raw diets can kill, she states her opinions, and leaves it to the reader to make judgement, and a decision, when she would probably be justified in a diatribe against raw feeding. On the other hand, I could cite instances of bloat from dry food, and other problems, and Bommy and I could each say we are correct - but no good purpose would be served. Lilysmum, I have fed my dogs on pretty well everything a dog can and will eat for over 40 years, and between my own dogs and rescues, probably more dogs than you've seen. With experience, I am not about to smack people over the chops with my opinions - because - in the end, they are only my opinions, as yours are. What bothers me (and a lot of others) about your posts is that you are prepared to categorically state x or y - and by your assured manner, induce someone to feed something to their dog, or to do something, which may be to the detriment of the dog. You seem to be totally oblivious of this fact, and continue to mindlessly argue about the criticism you receive, instead of quietly contemplating what you are actually putting on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShesaLikeableBiBear Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Lillysmum All I am going to say is I cant agree with your statements on the feeding of processed foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBella Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) LillysMum I dont' agree with your comments on processed foods neither. Beautiful Bella and Cyclone Bruno eat top quality kibble, IMHO they smell beautiful, have gorgeous teeth, have farted twice that I have noticed, do non smelly poos and I could go on I have learned studying history that there is no such thing as a fact. Advice changes, attitudes change, people interpretations vary. The world is not black and white :D thank goodness. Give people a chance to make up their own minds ;) Sorry Daccydog, I went off topic. Kit Kat and co have given great advice about using the dried taking the food away after 10 minutes until your dachy eats. Dachy's are so cute but I can never tell when they're sitting Edited September 10, 2006 by BellasPerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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