~Harminee~ Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 (edited) Posted this in puppy section but though it would get more replies in here Orlando, my OH's Sister has a pomeranian. He is desexed and almost 12 months old. He has been to puppy school but prior to that was very fearful until socialised. The first couple of meetings with her dogs and our new pup went well, but now when we and the dogs( Lilly- BC x and Gemima Papillion x Maltese) go down to visit, Orlando's get up on the lounge and won't come down. When he does he cowers with tail between his legs.Is visibly submissive. Here's the problem, Kristy doesn't want us to bring the pup down any more because of Orlandos behavioural problems, and we can't and i WON"T leave a 10 week old pup home alone for the period we need to be down town on shop days ( sometimes away from the house for 10 to 12 hours) How do I socialise Lilly with Orlando again to restore his former boistrous bouncy self?. I have thought of buying a harness and keeping her next to us on lead whist in the house and Lilly and Gemima can run around the back yard for 10 to 15 minutes between times. OR Getting a portable crate, that we take with us, and crate Lilly, but my concern is that Lilly will then feel like its her fault, and thus creating issues for Lilly. what is the best solution, Oh and Gemima and Lilly play fine. If anything Gemima( is the rougher of the 2 and when Lilly gets too rough, Gemima nips her and tells her off, so there is no issues there; HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited August 16, 2006 by ~Harminee~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyvernblade Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 A boisterous puppy can be a bit overpowering to a toy dog. Is Lilly crated at home at all? If she is, then maybe bring a chew treat with you and her crate and pop that somewhere so that the other dog can still see her and say hello, without fear of being 'boinged' on! If she's used to being crated at home then she's not going to think she's being punished by being crated at someone elses house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Harminee~ Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 No she isn't crated as such but she is "enclosed" in a safe area so the cats and Gemima have their time out as well. Thinking the crate idea is a goer, cause it can be used at home as well. I can see that Orlando is overwelmed by Lilly, just trying to resolve situation so both our dogs can go to town with us when its needed. Lilly mostly plays with Gemima at the other place where Kristys dogs are ( both toy breeds) But your right, Lilly is a typically boistrous BCx and fairly large already at 10 weeks old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyvernblade Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 We also have a 10 week old BC pup here so I know what they are like! It's funny because he belongs to my step daughter and is only here when she is here, but he also gets overpowered by my 17 week old Dobe puppy, so they are not allowed to play together. And having owned a Yorkie in the past I can tell you they do not appreciate being 'boinged' by big puppies! Nor should they have to be either in their own home! So the crate is a brilliant way around it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Harminee~ Posted August 13, 2006 Author Share Posted August 13, 2006 Thanks for that.. No I agree .. Much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Harminee~ Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Ok Tuesday went out and bought the largest crate i could find. Would fit a large dog easily. We have been crating lilly at night, and when i have to go away from the house through the day ( like today when i worked at the online centre) In the crate we leave toys and treats, but no water as Im worried she will just turn it into a swimming pool she LOVES water play) At night, she is toileted before bedtime, given a drink , the put in the crate. Today i built an enclosed area just out the front so she can free rang safely , and so can Gemima. Yesturday we started the Triangle of Temtation that K9 posted in the pinned area for training. We started this with BOTH the dogs, although Gemima will be a battle as she is not food orientated at all ( Papillion x Maltese) My question, IS there anything else I could/should be doing IS there anything im doing wrong.. suggests welcome Maree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) Defiantely try the crate, sil's dog can be free to walk around and even sniff if he decides he is game, and it will be good training for your pup ETA I didn't read your plast post properley lol Great that you got a crate, sounds like you are doing lots of good things Edited August 16, 2006 by shoemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Harminee~ Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Thanks sm. I really just need confirmation im doing it right,,, and if there is anything else i could be doing as well to help her along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Harminee: Getting a portable crate, that we take with us, and crate Lilly, but my concern is that Lilly will then feel like its her fault, and thus creating issues for Lilly. Dog's don't think like that. All Lilly will know is that when she visits that place, she stays in her crate when inside. If you have made the crate her safe place, rather than a place she is put when she does something wrong, she'll be fine provided you give her breaks outside. My view is that as the visitor its up to you to do what you can to make the resident dogs comfortable in their own home. Put Lilly in the crate, and leave the little guy to pluck up the courage to check her out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) We have been crating lilly at night, and when i have to go away from the house through the day ( like today when i worked at the online centre)In the crate we leave toys and treats, but no water as Im worried she will just turn it into a swimming pool she LOVES water play) I'm a bit concerned that you leave her with no water "when you have to go away from the house through the day". Assuming this is for a considerable period of time. There are different styles of water containers available. Some which hook onto the side of the cage a bit above floor level. Perhaps you can find one of a shape and size where she is unable to "use it as a swimming pool". I've also seen some people with water feeders such as are often used for rabbits, where it is more like a bottle and the water drips/trickles out when the dog licks at it. I would expect you'd have to teach your dog how to use these and whilst my preference is for the dog to be able to lap freely, this would be better than no water at all, IMO. Edited August 17, 2006 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my_sibe_owns_me Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I crate my sibe when I go over to my friends house (Normally im there for many hours so hailey gets to come along) But hailey plays to 'rough' with the other dogs. So she 1. stays outside while thay are inside 2. is crated with bones, toys and water, but to hailey a crate is a 'safe place where she can chill out and watch everything that is going on and 3. she sits next to me on a leash, seeing that the other dogs are not afraid of her it olny becomes a problem when the others want to play with her...and when they do she either does one of the other two choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Harminee~ Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 I'm a bit concerned that you leave her with no water "when you have to go away from the house through the day". Assuming this is for a considerable period of time. When I went to the online Centre Yesturday, The girls came home at 3pm after school and let her out for play time walks etc that they do after school. I was concerned reguarding the water too so will get one of those that you mentioned.. Will try a small container of water inside another container till i can go to town on Saturday to get 1. Thanks for that.. it was 1 of my main concerns too. Dog's don't think like that. All Lilly will know is that when she visits that place, she stays in her crate when inside. If you have made the crate her safe place, rather than a place she is put when she does something wrong, she'll be fine provided you give her breaks outside. KK thanks, Lilly at the moment is ONLY going into the crate at Night and when we have to leave the house. She doesnt go into it on her own, but I'm hoping that changes with time. We don't put her in there for time out or anything like that. When she starts to play to rough, we normally just put Gemima where Lilly can't access her so it gives them both a break. Thanks for the suggestions and advice,, its helping a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Once she is used to going in she will go in herself My dogs sit by the crate at bedtime if the door is shut, waiting for me to open it! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 She doesnt go into it on her own, but I'm hoping that changes with time. Without making it too much of a 'big deal', but knowing she is looking and seeing you, throw a treat or two into the crate as you pass by it. Just let her go in and get the treat (and come out again if that's what she wants to do). This is the beginning of HER making the decision to enter the crate and also builds up positive association (ie "everytime I make the decision to go in the crate there are good things for me".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Harminee~ Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 Ok attached a 2 litre water icecrean container inside the crate with a small amount of wire( on the outside so she or anything else cant get injured) Put about 300 ml of water in it so as she drinks it i can see if it needs topping up as it is positioned at the front of the crate. She is in there at the moment for nap time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Harminee~ Posted August 18, 2006 Author Share Posted August 18, 2006 Well Progress today, Lilly went into her crate ON HER OWN..... yipeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She was obviously tired and went looking for a place to nap, so yup she chose her crate... happy happy joy joy.... She is also doing VERY well in the triangle of temptation that K9 has posted about. Will post some photos soon of her sleeping in her crate.. THANKYOU all for you help Now i know she feels safe and comfortable there, I feel aLOT better about having to crating her in situations that require it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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