ShesaLikeableBiBear Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Caninecoach, I have sent a message out to both internationalsheltie and sheltieworld and will let you have the results, please can you pm me with your email address and I will send any replies through to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted July 2, 2006 Author Share Posted July 2, 2006 thanksyou guys for being so supportive yes i love that pic connor is such a smoocher not much of a herder though that lamb beat him up head utted him on his bottom is was very funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonniebank Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 My Sheltie list mob just got back to me with a couple of replies. I think it may be easier for you if I send you the link to this group and you join and speak with them yourself. It's only a small group but they are wonderful caring Sheltie people. The following is a link to one of their websites. There is a puppy in her Rainbow Bridge section and Puppy Section that passed over at one month old due to liver shunt. http://www.shekkeina.co.uk/ Do you feel up to joining the group to talk about Loch? If not, would you like me to post your email address? In the meantime, these are the 2 replies so far: Hi Sam, yes, but I think it was an "external" shunt and was successfully operated on. I will ask for more information if you like. Barbara B Hi Sam, I lost a month old pup with liver shunt about 3 yrs ago. She was fine and developing normally till 2 days before she died, of course she had to be my pick of the litter. The valve that bypasses the pups liver so that mum can clean the blood, should close when the pups are born but doesnt in Liver shunt. The toxins therefore build up in the pup to an unsunstainable level and as they become more active and are weaned results in increasing levels of toxins. The pup cant dispose of them, as their liver is not working, resulting in either death or a very sickly pup. I know their are operations but my vet said it was a poor prognosis and usually a sickly pup for the rest of its life. There's a picture of her on my website on the 'rainbow bridge' page and also a few details on the puppy page. Bfn Sheila www.shekkeina.co.uk www.naats.co.uk Take care, Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted July 2, 2006 Author Share Posted July 2, 2006 yes i would like to join your list would be good to be in contact with other shetie people the first reply i know the dog he has had a successful op and seems to be doing ok stella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted July 2, 2006 Author Share Posted July 2, 2006 what a sweet little puppy so young stella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonniebank Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Another reply: Hi Sam, So sorry to hear about your friend's loss. Poor pup, and how dreadful for her. Liver shunts are not uncommon in Australian Cattle Dogs and I have a friend who had all her dogs tested free of charge from memory because one had it. It was to aid research into the problem. I can ask my friend the name of the woman who did the research , see if I can get a phone number and your friend may care to talk to her. Betty The link for the group is: [email protected] Just join and introduce yourself and tell them you are the owner of the pup I have been asking their advice about. Can't hurt to try. Let me know if you have any probs joining. Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysti_Lei Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 i'm sorry to here of you loss, and so young too my MIL has a Chi X JRT that was dianosed 2 days after her 3rd birthday with a livershunt. she turns 4 tomorrow actually!! and she is still going with just a little brain damage. the sympoms were there all along but until she stared seizing, it wasn't anything noticable. Crysti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted July 2, 2006 Author Share Posted July 2, 2006 This is my concern i often hear people saying oh yeah he can be a sensitive dog or you cant change foods or he gets sick and if it were a milder liver shunt it may go unoticed especially in a pet that isnt inside with the family . Most of Lochs subtle signs i put down to being a tpyical pup and teething t wasnt until he big signs came through when it was too late that i got alarmed. Im taking connor this week to be blodod tested and im making my sister do the same as her bitch who is 12 months doe throw p a bit and gets the runs easily and can be over sensitive so i asid for the sake of a blood test lets get them both donw Can it be detected at 8 weeks wth a blood teast must ask vet about that so if des gets another pup we can just have it done for peace of mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysti_Lei Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 it should be detectable. if you do a single blood test and it shows elevates liver enzymes it'd be a sure bet that there is a shunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I was just wondering if anyone knows how this is inherited or is it just one of those things that occurs? - refering here to the extra hepatic liver shunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 they also test biles but its a simple test to get a yay or nay as for hw its passed on im no expert but i think its recessive so both parents would have to be carriers to pass t on genetically but i think its also just one of those things though on whats good for you they were saying that as a man ages his sperm counts doesnt really reduce but there is more sperm that carry any genetic dorders so would that be the same in a dog the older the stud if he carries a bad gene the more of them would be produced so higher likiehood of passing a defective gene on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesomil Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I have a 2 year old female Kelpie that was diagnosed with a liver shunt as a young pup. We have to be very careful with what she eats and she must'nt be vaccinated or have flea/ worming/ heartworm treatments. She has mild brain damage and is a very sickly dog sometimes. Vet didnt expect her to live to 6 months and she has also not grown properly. She used to have severe seizures and faint frequently. We dont know how long we will have her for. She goes up and down all the time. Its a really terrible thing and i sometimes think that maybe we should have let her go as a baby. The rest of her litter and parents are all fine. So sorry to hear about your loss. What a terrible shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 jesomil, were you offered an operation for your girl, to fix the shunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesomil Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Hi Becks, No, we were never offered an operation to fix the shunt. Maybe it was because she was too sick and it was a rescue situation so they didnt think we would do it. I never planned to keep her, i just rescued her from a bad situation. The vet just said that she wouldnt make 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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