J... Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Brag your hardest LL - I think its great encouragement for us newbie drive trainers!! My little mutts a people/dog and smell lover too..... at least I know there is some light at the end of the tunnel...... Somehow I think it will take me a little longer than 8 weeks though ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 LL: I also smiled, but still listened with good humour, when one mentioned for goodness sake, get your water wings off you have a US bred dog, Yank will eat you up and spit you out, if you do not use OUR methods. K9: keep smiling, because what your doing will produce a much better dog than force ever would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Im not sure if this is the right place but Ill do it here anyway :D A bit of a brag for my little girl. Its been three days since she finally got the idea of the TOT - well more or less, and Ill be asking questions, as I dont think its ideal, far from it actually, but she stopped being interested in the leash more than in the food, although the food was always right there 2cm from her :rolleyes: She also got the idea of the "get it get it get it" command which basically is - grab the damn toy you fruitloop And today for the first time she was tied up to a fence and yanking herself repeatedly in order to get the octopuss we have been training with. Only for a minute or so, but before she would yank herself once or twice sit and look at me with a face - what do you want - why do you do this to me, I cant get it Im tied up up fool and I know I cant get it, so what the hell do you expect? She also repeatedly for the last 4 days will fetch bring back and exchange a ball with me easy 10-15 times time after time. Helicopters have been great and are great, and Im loving every little bit of it. She loves it more I think So Im guessing this will be start of the 3x3x3x7 K9? Am I allowed to teach her any words, it starts to p*ss me off that she wont come when I want her to, as she doesnt know the word yet. Can I teach her that? Anyway - my baby is doing OK only my wonderfull bougenvillea is completly gone, as she picked every leaf of it......... oh well its only a plant and can be replaced, it will take 5-6 years for it to grow, but hey if the dog is happy Im happy too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 She also repeatedly for the last 4 days will fetch bring back and exchange a ball with me easy 10-15 times time after time.Helicopters have been great and are great, and Im loving every little bit of it. She loves it more I think K9: there you go.... told you it wasnt impossible... Wonder how much the separate yard has had top do with it...? So Im guessing this will be start of the 3x3x3x7 K9? K9: Yes... Am I allowed to teach her any words, it starts to p*ss me off that she wont come when I want her to, as she doesnt know the word yet. Can I teach her that? K9: why would she come? whats in it for her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 K9: there you go.... told you it wasnt impossible... The drive drops on the tie out extremly quickly, it doesnt on the helicopters. Wonder how much the separate yard has had top do with it...? I will say it again. Not once from the moment I got her that my dogs stayed together when I wasnt around. Rex was inside the house she was out when I went to work. The saparate yard was more for him so that he could also be outside and have free use of the toilet facilities instead of being locked up for 10-11 hours inside. K9: why would she come? whats in it for her? I always have something for her, either toy/play or food/treat or good word/pets. but she might choose to listen to a ambulance siren, or checking out whats behind the bushes over my offer. That is when she is just hanging around not on lead etc. She just doesnt know the word. so can I teach her that? In a formal way, lead etc. or do I not and just do the drive building for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I will say it again. Not once from the moment I got her that my dogs stayed together when I wasnt around. K9: Ok maybe this is more simple... your pup is with you & Rex, Rex would be higher in the pack than pup, pup will be watching him watching you.... I always have something for her, either toy/play or food/treat or good word/pets. but she might choose to listen to a ambulance siren, or checking out whats behind the bushes over my offer. K9: the reward process is unclear... You think any reward will do, thats not how the dog see's it. Dont teach the recall until we sort this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) K9: Ok maybe this is more simple... your pup is with you & Rex, Rex would be higher in the pack than pup, pup will be watching him watching you.... Im vaguely familiar with dogs watching other dogs and learning from it (will do new subject on that as its interesting) but what do you mean? When I train/play with her Rex isnt around. And I ahvent trained/done anything with him since I got her. Well apart from few walks on lead, where OH takes him I take her. Than yes she just does what he does. Can I do a sit in the helicopters? well ok I have done this already and she is very good and now shows me the only trick she knows all the time , but I have stoped doing it few days ago and only been doing chasing of the toy with her, or fetch and exchange the balls. Edited July 13, 2006 by myszka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Steve I will be going to your Perth class, I have a 14 week old Rotty pup. Should I be doing anything specific with her prior to your visit? ie trying to develop drive with a toy, TOT etc? Or is it better to wait and learn fist hand from the master? Cheers Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 K9: the steps you need to follow for the first stages would be helpful but there is too much to just get started that fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyvernblade Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 I haven't been around the last few days and have just been catching up on all the replies! Thanks guys, all the questions asked, and answered have helped my original problem heaps!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I demand an update on the pupps progress!!! with photos pls!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyvernblade Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 LOL!! Puppy is doing fine!! Drive is still about the same, but he loves playing the game and as it is pretty much the only thing I do with him now, he gets beside himself!! I circumnavigated the whole lead issue thing while waiting for answers, by tying the ball to a rope and then tying that to a stick, so he'd grab it, but coldn't walk off with it, which seemed to work just as well, but will go back to lead again now! He LOVES his new ball from K9, he has decided it is THE best thing ever! Would love to post pix but have been told I am not allowed to by his breeder, just because his tail is docked and had a few people jump down my throat last time I posted pix, so pm me if you want recent ones and I'll send em privately Some people have WAAAAAAY too much spare time on their hands! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Since our pupps are more or less the same age I like exchanging experiences with you I do a chase the ball on the short leash - the ball is on leash (its more for me not to band down really than for her) she is on lead, goes bananas for it chasing it, makes me dizzy, grabs it and I walk and walk and walk in a cirlcle, she does drop it eventually. I can do lets say 5 of those as the drive drops with her getting walked so much she gets tired. I can also go down the lead, hold the toy and tug her with it, while I "kick" her with my feet, or when I run my hands all over her, under the chin, under her belly, covering her eyes etc. I sort of started having a rag over her as a distraction but she thinks its an toy exchange and wants the rag ;) And I can almost lift her on the tug, but try not to as Im worried Ill damage the bite. She has a leather fetish, she preffers the lead more than the toy I think. Anything leather is fab in her opinion. As to photos - check any photos Ive posted... Crop the photos so noone can pick on you, myslef included! Otherwise my mailbox is waiting!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 M: I can also go down the lead, hold the toy and tug her with it, while I "kick" her with my feet, K9: yes well dont do that. Its not part of drive development.... M: or when I run my hands all over her, under the chin, under her belly, covering her eyes etc. K9: lol, dont do this, dont touch the dog anywhere but where I told you, on the body. Where do you get these ideas? M: I sort of started having a rag over her as a distraction but she thinks its an toy exchange and wants the rag K9: dont do this either, it will cause stress as she cant have two items.. ;) Just do exactly what I said & it will work, you can invent your own steps if you like, but dont expect that it will work like my program does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyvernblade Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 see? This is why we are still learning and YOU are the expert!! LOL I know that everyone is different and had different ideas and it makes it hard when you can't have regular lessons with the one person! I have been doing it exactly as I have seen and it's working well, pup just has short attention span, so I just do little periods of time, often during the day. Off topic completely BUT what does it mean when dog WON'T eat when you're NOT there??? I have to stand or sit right next to him, otherwise he follows me, i.e I can't leave him to eat his dinner as he wants to come with me and the cat will have it! If he's inside with a bone (And he gets fed inside) he has to sit on my lap or be right next to my legs to eat it, otherwise he just leaves it in the middle of the floor and ignores it if I keep moving. What the hell is that all about?! And are you supposed to allow your puppy to sleep in the bed with you......................?! Rhetorical question, I KNOW the answer, but he's sooooo cute, and it's so cold here at the mo, it's like having a furry hot water bottle............................... ;) and hubby's not here, and personally I prefer the dog............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 And are you supposed to allow your puppy to sleep in the bed with you......................?! ;) Rhetorical question, I KNOW the answer, but he's sooooo cute, and it's so cold here at the mo, it's like having a furry hot water bottle............................... and hubby's not here, and personally I prefer the dog............................ Glad you're out there and enjoying your new puppy, Wyv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noisymina Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 and hubby's not here, and personally I prefer the dog......................... Me too. ;) But not in the bed - I have allergies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyvernblade Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Ohhh that sucks Mina! I have allergies too, but only to my cat and the horses thank goodness! I don't know what I'd do if I sneezed every time dogs were near me as well! And yes Erny, the new pup has been great and is just so adorable, I love him to bits already................... Definately better company than the hubby.................... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 W: see? This is why we are still learning and YOU are the expert!! K9: Actually according to the orig poster, its Lord, not expert... Off topic completely BUT what does it mean when dog WON'T eat when you're NOT there??? I have to stand or sit right next to him, otherwise he follows me, i.e I can't leave him to eat his dinner as he wants to come with me and the cat will have it! K9: sometimes puppies see so much interest in what you do & their primary drive is not food, they will do this, mine would do this still. But they get the hang of it... And are you supposed to allow your puppy to sleep in the bed with you......................?! Rhetorical question, I KNOW the answer, but he's sooooo cute, and it's so cold here at the mo, it's like having a furry hot water bottle... K9: the answer isnt yes btw, it is harmless if you have everything else under control... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakti Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Can pack drive be used as a training tool and if so how? What increases pack drive? I can't wait for tonight! Have a list of questions that I think are probably too stupid to post here! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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