My Pet Peeve

[noisymina]

I have not read all this thread -

But I have a pet peeve too -

And that, briefly revolves around the lack of TRAINERS with common sense. Around here, that is.

If and when I find someone around here who can actually be realistically and positively helpful to me so I can actually learn something useful - well, it'll probably be too late 'cause I've now learned most of what I need (for the moment, anyway) from books and from here!

The only person my present dog has almost bitten was .... a "trainer". :cool:

I fear taking her anywhere like that now - for the safety of the "trainer".

Even the vet can stick needles into her with almost no reaction! ;)

[Erny]

I've now learned most of what I need (for the moment, anyway) from books and from here!

Could that be because the good trainers ARE here?

The only person my present dog has almost bitten was .... a "trainer". :cool:

On a serious note (and not knowing details), could this be because the trainer 'pushed' the dog (I mean in a proper/nice way) and the dog isn't used to being 'pushed'? Not being defensive - a sincere question. Sometimes I've worked with dogs who have never been asked to do anything in their lives, who walk all over their owners and then object when I won't allow the same. I'm not suggesting this is your scenario, Noisy. I've seen your posts and believe you know better. But is it possible? Or perhaps it WAS a case of 'bad' training on the part of the trainer?

Edited July 7, 2006 by Erny

[noisymina]

Erny - it was a bad call on the part of the trainer.

Yes, the dog was "pushed" - but the trainer concerned did not like - or undersatnd Dobes - let a lone a re-homed one with unknown background.

When she left me to it, I did eventually get the dog to do what was wanted. :cool:

Let's face it - the dog WAS frightened of the tunnel. Once she got over the fear, it was all good. Pushing her into a thing she feared was not a good idea.

What might work with a 12 week pup does not necessarily work with a 4 year old Dobermann that doesn't trust strangers.

I went for some assistance with things like lead pulling - she wanted an agility champion - different agendas, I think?

[Erny]

:cool: Noisy. Knew there'd be a good explanation from you. Yes - it does sound a bit 'off' on the trainer's part.

Glad you got your Dobe past her fear of the tunnel. I work many fearful dogs on agility type equipment for the benefit of building trust (and therefore enhancing obedience training), but I don't push for tunnels. I usually ask the dog to do things such as getting up on a box/table/chair (depending on the height of the dog). These sorts of things can do wonders for building up a dog's confidence, and whilst it might need to be coaxed, it should not be an overtly stressful activity for the dog and works far better for confidence if it has ultimately been the dog's decision to negotiate the obstacle.

Sorry folks and Noisy, for going . I just have a compulsive need to explore both sides of some stories, just in case there's some misunderstanding involved.

[noisymina]

Sorry folks and Noisy, for going off topic. I just have a compulsive need to explore both sides of some stories, just in case there's some misunderstanding involved.

Thanks Erny - nice to have the "gut feeling" sort of confirmed.

The table thing was OK - until she fell off one - her fault entirely. :cool:

Some of it was quite good.

She just loved doing the maze thing once she realised the game. ;)

Yeh - sorry about the off topic thing everyone,

[Lablover]

Thanks Erny - nice to have the "gut feeling" sort of confirmed.

Gut feelings are wonderful things. That and experience!!!!! I mean, in years gone by, I would worry about certain non perfect training responses. Nowadays I may ignore them as I know they will clarify themselves with further training. Other responses, I feel need better standards before moving on.

[Herr Rottweiler]

I'm a firm believer that gut feeling shouldn't be ignored.

[Erny]

I'm a firm believer that gut feeling shouldn't be ignored.

Yep ... you ignore that 'gut' feeling and you run a higher risk of crapping your pants.

[noisymina]

Yep ... you ignore that 'gut' feeling and you run a higher risk of crapping your pants.

Talk about "Off Topic"

[I Heart Aussies]

As an attendee at training school I was amazed in the first month of beginners class that I was the ONLY one in the class to attend every week for the month. Actually of the other people in my class, I didn't see any of them more than twice I dont think.

People get busy I know but when I signed up, I signed up to a commitment to train my dog and I wanted fast results which is probably what everyone wants but when I say FAST I am realistic about what that means and how long 'fast' is really going to take. I knew the only way this was going to happen was consistency going each week, (making other plans around my training times!) and to practice practice practice. It's a commitment and hard work. I dont understand why people come a few times and then never again or come on the odd occasion.

[wheres my rock]

Hi Burlof

It is surprising the amount of people that sign up and dont return we have a few very dedicated people in our club that seem to be there every week hail or shine but the rest just come in spits and spats

[Herr Rottweiler]

As an attendee at training school I was amazed in the first month of beginners class that I was the ONLY one in the class to attend every week for the month. Actually of the other people in my class, I didn't see any of them more than twice I dont think.

People get busy I know but when I signed up, I signed up to a commitment to train my dog and I wanted fast results which is probably what everyone wants but when I say FAST I am realistic about what that means and how long 'fast' is really going to take. I knew the only way this was going to happen was consistency going each week, (making other plans around my training times!) and to practice practice practice. It's a commitment and hard work. I dont understand why people come a few times and then never again or come on the odd occasion.

If 50% of the people who come down with their dogs for training had this attitude then we'd see a huge reduction in the ammount of dogs going to pounds.

Great attitude Burlof, I just wish it was contageuos.

[wheres my rock]

Its funny isnt it i just spent three months working one on one with a lady to help her trian her very nice foster dog. Hes been going really well today rang me to ask how to go about rehoming him as she doesnt want to bother exercising him anymore shes fed up with going out in the cold each day to walk him

I didnt see that coming im still a bit surprised

[ReXy]

Its funny isnt it i just spent three months working one on one with a lady to help her trian her very nice foster dog. Hes been going really well today rang me to ask how to go about rehoming him as she doesnt want to bother exercising him anymore shes fed up with going out in the cold each day to walk him

I didnt see that coming im still a bit surprised

what a shame CC... to think allt hat work u put in too.. to cold blahhhhhhhhhhh.. lame excuse.. :p :p

[Flaves]

I went to both trainings on saturday.

I had an appointment at ADT in the morning and then i took Mitchi to berwick obedience in teh afternoon.

We will be doing both on saturdays from next week onwards.

She loves it and in a couple of weeks i will be taking our foster pup along too.

I must admit i didn't enjoy having the rain fall but i prefer my happy and obedient pup to a cheeky little brat that she can be when bored and untrained.

She has improved out of site in the 2 weeks i have been taking her adn i know he will improve when i take him.

[Herr Rottweiler]

Hiya Kristie,

That's a lot of training for a little pup in one day, careful you don't over do it.

[Flaves]

She gets a 2.5 hour snooze in between and a snack.

I will see how she goes but if she does get tired i will only take her iin the morning and Barker (the rescue pup) in the afternoon.

He probably needs more work than her as he needs heaps of socialising

[jaybeece]

I have not read all this thread -

But I have a pet peeve too -

And that, briefly revolves around the lack of TRAINERS with common sense. Around here, that is.

If and when I find someone around here who can actually be realistically and positively helpful to me so I can actually learn something useful - well, it'll probably be too late 'cause I've now learned most of what I need (for the moment, anyway) from books and from here!

The only person my present dog has almost bitten was .... a "trainer". :p

I fear taking her anywhere like that now - for the safety of the "trainer". :p

Even the vet can stick needles into her with almost no reaction!

Yep, this pisses me right off too. I've had one bad experience with a trainer because I was far too trusting. Never again, I now take every piece of advice given with a large rock of salt and nobody handles him but me.

The only person who's ever made my dog look terrified was a "trainer". The only person I've ever been truely worried for his wellbeing was when he was in the hands of this "trainer". They should have known better due to the level of obedience they were instructing and the reputation of the school, but unfortunately they clearly had an enormous lapse in judgement that day.

What a shame that lapse in judgement meant my dog had to suffer.

[Lablover]

OK. "MY PET PEEVE OF THE DAY". Today I was once again overall very happy with my dogs training. One or two sloppy reactions were observed, so my pet peeve of the day is: I wish I could talk to my dogs,like humans for one or two times in their lives. My questions would be: was your disobedience due to lack of effort or because of my lack of training/education? Pondering today. I must think of a couple of more drills or simplify my requirements.

Yesterday I was performing cartwheels in happiness with the youngster (13 month old Yank) today back to "pondering". LOL

Edited: We are in the transition period of handling on unknown/cold blinds. There I go, I answered my question already. Still wish dogs could talk from time to time LOL.

Edited July 10, 2006 by Lablover

[J...]

I dont understand why people come a few times and then never again or come on the odd occasion.

Because its not a priority for them, well not until Rover starts tearing up the garden, the washing, a few shoes, bowled the kids over, pulled like an absolute stream train on his last walks, that they get guilted into attending. They do their 1 week in 4, don't pay attention and wonder why the dog doesn't improve. Then they blame it on the poor dog.

Meanwhile people like you and I, who make it a priority (I love it!) rock up week in - week out, rain/hail or shine, have to share a class with poor maniac Rover on the end of 2m of leash, and twit owner who has to be brought up to speed (again!) because they missed the last 3 weeks. :p

Sorry I'll get off my soap box now... Can you tell it frustrated the cr*p out of me?? Thank god I'm a class up now

When I was doing puppy class, there seemed to be a changeover of attendees. You had the people who did PPS and a few puppy classes but dwindled off. Then you had the young dogs who were nutters starting to arrive in the class. Didn't seem to be a lot of people who followed it through which is sad. :p Maybe they though their dogs were fine, but I wonder what happens when they hit that lovely adolescent period I keep reading about