Roxy Lady Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 (edited) Oops did a double post so changed question. How do you stop dogs for attacking the whipper snipper when its going? Ned even hates it when the neighbours use theirs! Ned has 2 obsessive compulsives.... balls and whipper snippers. How do i get him to stop barking at them? Edited April 3, 2006 by bullyluvr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 This depends on the REAL reason Ned is reacting to each of the items mentioned. To determine this, the style of bark, Ned's body language at the time and also the ACTUAL trigger to the reaction needs to be established. So, you may well have asked a little question, but the answer can be quite huge and difficult to give unless we know the CAUSE of the behaviour. Desensitisation to the whipper snipper might be required, if the behaviour is triggered by a fear response. Removing any reinforcement from the ball might be required, if the behaviour is triggered by Ned receiving something good as a result of the interaction with it. You haven't really even given us the tip of the iceberg as far as information is concerned about Ned's behaviour to these items. This would be required in thorough detail. Even then, it may remain that to seriously answer your questions and alter Ned's behaviour, someone who knows and understands dogs (eg behaviourist) might be required to observe Ned "in action". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Lady Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 Thanks, well the ball is not so much of a problem unless he finds one. We keep balls away from him they are like his comforters, if one rolls under a car he will bark for ages or he will get himself stuck under the car trying to reach it! So we just keep them away from him as he doesn't like our other dog going near his ball and the whole time he has it its like "wheres my ball wheres my ball wheres my ball" But i'm a bit unsure what it is with the whipper snipper? He mainly wants to bite it i think i'm not sure if its out of fear, because he seems excited, i'm not sure if he just doesn't like the noise coz he stops barking as soon as it stops but then he'll start barking at it like he wants it to start up again? I live in a small country town and there is only 1 dog trainer around and thats in a different town 1 hour away, maybe i should call in Dr. Harry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemibabe Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 (edited) Ah Shelby hates the whipper snipper too... First time I found out, I had a guy come do the edges of the wire fencing, The fencing was pig fencing, where she could stick her head thru...he was on one side, Shelby on the other... damn fool nearly whipped her nose right off, I think the whole town heard me bellow out that day... Gee's it was close... the guy looked at me as if to say "look at your dog, HA HA, how stupid"... That was the last time Shelby was ever near a 'live' snipper. She is like that with the lawn mower too... just goes for the wheels She now stays indoors when I mow the lawn... She can bark all she likes, cause inside I cannot hear her outside mowing the lawn. Can you seperate them Bullyluvr...?? Ball obsessed, is that such a bad thing? I had a Staffy, Jake, if he didn't have his ball, he was lost... He would sit and chew it all day... I miss my boy efs Edited April 3, 2006 by gemibabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Ball obsessed, is that such a bad thing? Bullyluvr could actually turn the "ball obsession" into a positive by training Ned to work in drive and increase Ned's obedience skills. Check out K9 Force's thread on the subject, BL. I had a Staffy, Jake, if he didn't have his ball, he was lost... He would sit and chew it all day... I miss my boy I bet you do, Gemibabe. It's tough, but the memories are priceless. Hold on to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Ball obsessed, is that such a bad thing? Wilbur - cocker spaniel (and his mother) are completely ball obsessed. I can throw a tennis ball into long grass and he will spend half an hour looking for it. I trained his retrieve to Shirley's retrieve process and worked perfectly. It became a problem at the Dog Park when we are supposed to be socialising nicely and he became super competitive for his ball. This started with some smaller dogs chasing it with him. now he seems to have a bit of an aggresive streak towards smaller dogs. he is only 12 Kilos and plays well with larger dogs often (My parents Golden retirever - a mates Bull terriers - and a few staffies). It is almost as if when he see smaller dogs its his one chance to play in his own wieght division and he plays tougher than he should. We don't take balls out anymore - just in the yard and when training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 K9: its unlikely that these dogs hate the whipper snipper, in fact its , most likely the other way about.... Often dogs bark & bite at whipper snippers in prey drive.... which is a positive drive that the dogs get great pleasure from... You may find this is compulsive with your dog as your not providing enough prey drive satisfaction & your dog is trying to satisfy it any way it can... You can stop your dog from chasing the whipper snipper, but if it does stop chasing, kit will then go looking for satisfaction other ways.... Those may be worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Lady Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 Yep Neds one of those dogs! I threw his ball up onto the cubby house roof so i could take some photos of him but the only photos i could get was him at the bottom of the cubby house lookin up at the roof, he didn't move for probably 2 hours, just sat there lookin up waitin for it to drop down. I keep the ball away from Ned because i can't get any sense out of him when hes got it. He would easily go through 3 tennis balls a day if i let him. I talked to Neds old owner last night and he said he would of picked up the hatred for whipper snippers from their boxer who used to go mad on it. Ned doesn't mind the lawn mower he just follows me pushin it around with a concerned look on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 K9: Ned needs to be Trained IN DRIVE, trained to achieve drive satisfaction through obedience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Julie Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I agree with others, that it's a drive thing. Jyra is just like Ned when it comes to cats and birds or any other situation where she's in high drive. At my friend's house, the cat used to take refuge under the VW Beetle and Jyra would be crawling under the car to get to the cat. When they were both inside, Jyra would just sit and stare at the cat for hours like a scientist observing feline behaviour. I think you're in a great situation to do drive training as he already has the high drive for the ball. Whilst this doesn't cure the problem, just manages it, I would suggest putting Ned inside while you are using the whipper snipper or tethering him somewhere safe outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Lady Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 Hi, I'm going to have to do some research into this drive training. I live in a small country town there are no dog training facilities, or trainers. When the whipper snippers going Ned is put in either the front or back yard away from where its being used, but he still barks and tries to find out where it is. I think it is going to be hard to use his ball as a reward because he will forget everything else and concentrate on the ball, but i'll do some research into this and try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 K9: actually it will cure the problem when its done right. The dog will look less for drive satisfaction in otehr places (like cats etc) & more in the excercises you teach.. K9: Where are you locarted Bullyluvr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Lady Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 Darlington Point near Griffith NSW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Will send you a pm with some recommendations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Training in drive sounds very interesting. Anyway I have a toy obsessed BC who used to drive me crazy when I used the vacuum cleaner/wippersnipper etc. I couldn't lock her inside/outside because she would bark and run from window to window. Now I tell her to get a ball when I'm using these things and she focuses on the ball and leaves the "noisies" alone. She will sit, drop. stay whatever for the ball and forgets that I'm vacuuming. I just have to give her an order or throw the ball occassionally while I'm vacuuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Lady Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 I'm not sure what Ned would do if he was faced with a ball AND a whipper snipper, it would probably be all too much for him and he'd pass out with excitement!! But its true maybe the ball might fix the whipper snipper problem???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 K9: The key is that you dont intro the ball & the snipper together, otherwise you will turn on the dogs nerves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirami Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 oh dear, i thought Foxie was the only obsesssive compulsive (OCD) dog! (well, he is at least in our neighbourhood!) IN Foxie's case a bouncing basketball, moving lawnmower, water hose, broom, rugby ball mean the neighbours giving us death stares over the amount of barking and chasing happening. I've even considered muzzling him to stop the amount of barking....the chasing is alright as it gets him so tired he'll be silent for a few hours after! bullyluvr: i tried the ball and lawnmower together the other day.....had Foxie running from one end of the yard to the other. suffice to say i think the lawnmower won over....(*looks at the partly ripped tyre on the mower*). yeap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 K9: prey drive is natural in all dogs, some have been bred to have lower thresholds to prey drive than others, dogs with high prey drive usually are very smart, dogs that think on their feet. They are also responsible for most of my work as few people can get results with them as the dogs get bored with standard training procedures. Many trainers see prey drive as something they need to squash, but it doesnt work like that, you can push it down here, but it will rise up somewhere else. Like pushing on a balloon, down here, up there. Excessive pressure & you shut the dog down, burst the balloon. Dogs that chase mowers, snippers, clothes on the line etc etc, have just found a way that they can get some drive satisfaction... These dogs can excel in advanced learning programs when their drive is used to train them... When someone calls a dog hyper active, a ball nut, obessive over a toy etc, I see POTENTIAL for high level work with often little training. I these days try & incorporate satisfying the dogs drives in just about every program I specify to solve behaviour problems these days & its always a hot topic for discussion in my workshops & seminars.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzat Xolo Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Yep Neds one of those dogs! I threw his ball up onto the cubby house roof so i could take some photos of him but the only photos i could get was him at the bottom of the cubby house lookin up at the roof, he didn't move for probably 2 hours, just sat there lookin up waitin for it to drop down. I keep the ball away from Ned because i can't get any sense out of him when hes got it. He would easily go through 3 tennis balls a day if i let him. I talked to Neds old owner last night and he said he would of picked up the hatred for whipper snippers from their boxer who used to go mad on it. Ned doesn't mind the lawn mower he just follows me pushin it around with a concerned look on his face. Turn Neds ball obsession into a postive for you!! Easy trainability, narcotic/bomb/manwork and alert dogs are selected for their retreive drive, as its such an easy factor to train with and channel into work. Good luck with Ned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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