sfg-shep Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 i have joined upto a schutzhund club and am trying to train my german shepherd but they are being very unhelpfull i need help with bite training can someone help me my dog doesnt bite the toy properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Have you approached the Club about your concerns? Could you ask another member for advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfg-shep Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 the club isnt very well run my dog stops before biting the toy and doesnt bite properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 (edited) the club isnt very well run my dog stops before biting the toy and doesnt bite properly Do you have the option of joining another club that is better run and with instructors who are more qualified to assist? IMO this kind of sport is not something you 'toy' with and it bothers me that having instructors who may not know what they should well enough, might lead to a dog with indiscriminant biting behaviour. Edited March 13, 2006 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 what club are you a member of? how olds your dog? what "toy" are you using for bite work? can you talk to your dogs breeder about your concerns? forgot to add: are you the one whos doing the bite work with your dog or is there a helper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 and to add a few more probing questions: what do you mean by not biting properly? Front bite or hesitation? How old is your dog What training has it had so far (obedience or otherwise) and at what stage is your dog at? Has it been chastised for this sort of behaviour before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 What happened here? Has the OP disappeared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfg-shep Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 the dog is 4 months old we are using a jute bite toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfg-shep Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 he is just begining schutzhund training there hezitation in the bite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 At 4 months your dog is just a baby, so I wouldn't worry. What you might find useful is K9 Force's Training in Drive - as his drive training builds and utilises prey drive and uses toy motivators. This builds desire for the toy (ball or tug) - which is what you are trying to do with the jute tug. You can do a lot of this yourself at home without the use of a helper (building drive). Has your club suggested anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfg-shep Posted March 18, 2006 Author Share Posted March 18, 2006 the club doesnt help me much i need help asap the dog destroys everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 So the mystery question still remains! Who is the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Destroys everything? As in chewing stuff in your house you don't want him to? If this is the case, supervise when you are home and you can redirect to appropriate chewing items. Is your pup crate trained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 you have a high drive dog and needs a lot of stimulation. I know how you feel I have a Malinois. Either Crate train or build a large concrete enclosed run for the dog when it cant be supervised. Make sure you have lots of toys like Kongs and a company called Aussie Dog Toys makes indestructable toys for strong dogs. At 4 months your puppy should not really be doing a sleeve yet as its teeth are not ready and probably teething is making it hesitant to bite as its gums are tender. Play with rolled up towls etc and get him to chase them. Make sure he is not tethered. Run and call the dog to get the towl, flap it around etc when he grabs it, stop and praise him. DO NOT PULL or if it causes pain he wont want to bite. Shutzhund takes time do not rush your dog or you will cause him to shy more. Just stand still and let him tug as much as he wants. You can teach him to OUT at this stage as well if you like, some dont want to teach it till later but I know Ring and KNVP teach out early as well. Try these articles before you continue too much furthur: http://www.leerburg.com/articles.htm#workpup http://www.leerburg.com/articles.htm#sch http://www.leerburg.com/philosophy.htm Remember pups develop differently. Your dog is a BABY. You wouldnt expect a toddler to ride a bike so dont expect a puppy to be able to start full on shutzhund. My Mal bitch was a late bloomer and you need to build confidence or your dog will be more reluctant to work for you. There is no rule that says schuthund dogs must be puppies to start, I have seen 2yo GSDs start and do quite well. If you need any more help PM me and me or some of my contacts can give you a hand, J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 would be of a great help if you could list what club, as someone from dol might know someone there who is able to help you if you want you can pm me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfg-shep Posted March 28, 2006 Author Share Posted March 28, 2006 i still need help with him can someone help me train him i need help with him biting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 (edited) Where are you based? Some of us may be able to recommend some schools for you to go to. It would also help if you told us which school you're already with. As Jeff has offered, you could PM him with the details if you don't want to put that out on a public forum. Are you still with them, or training on your own? Edited March 28, 2006 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 i have tried contacting this person in regards to there dog several times now and got no reply its hard to offer advice on the information given so far, you say theres hesitation in the bite? as in the pup runs up and stops for a second before biting? or the pup isnt biting straight away when presented with the prey item? the dog isnt biting correctly? weak grip, only a front mouth bite? a few little excersises you can try when the helper (or yourself) is enticing your pup to bite the prey item have the person with the prey item continually moving backwards this encourages your dog to keep moving to get the bite ( i think you mean your dogs hesitating because the decoys standing still so the pup runs up and stops then takes the bite? this will help for either hesitation scenarios) you could also try instead of having the prey item directly infront of you have it presented more onto your left or right hand side this makes it less intimidating for the pup to run into you to get the bite. if your pup isnt biting correctly you need to give him a chance to counter and for the decoy to place the item on a more desirable angle for the pup to bite, timing is very important thats only a few scenarios from what i guessed your dog is doing different schutzhund members will have different views on the way to train your dog. i tried to keep it simple for you to understand But for any furthr training advice you really need to be a seeking information from a schutzhund club thats willing to help you there are various clubs in each state even tho you might have to travel abit longer to get to one if you swap clubs schutzhund australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Jeff - with the lack of response we're getting, I can't help feeling that the OP is trying to train the dog up on his own. I hope not - this is a bad move if you don't know what you're doing. Can turn the dog into a random biter and consequently a dangerous dog. sfg-shep - I'm sorry if I've got you wrong, but you're not being very forthcoming with info even though you ask for our help and we're trying to give it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 i cannot help but think the same thing erny, sfg-shep you have 100 times more to learn than your dog. and you need someone who is experienced to guide you through the training process, as you have found out using an in-experienced decoy it has lead to undesirable traits in your dog already. please for the welfare of yourself, your dog, and the general public seek assistance from an accredited club or trainer once again if you have any questions you can contact me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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