Steve K9Pro Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 K9: I wouldnt know but Im sure that they posted here for a reason.. Anyone have advice? K9:" I thought that was the reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tess32 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 I'm sure you can give them some K9 rather than wasting the thread debating about opinions ;) Nat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 K9: I did give them some, pen, isolation, etc... we readin the same thread here? Here it is again case it missed ya the first time round.. lol... if the people who currently own the dog are not keen on fixing the problem, due to whatever reason, money, time etc, then there is no hope with this family.Move the dog or euthanise it. If your diagnosis is correct, this dog should be islolated in a pen from the family for two weeks, with only food & water & not even as much as eye contact in between. This dratsic removal of resources often shocks the dog down a few places in the pack. When he comes out he can be reassessed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tess32 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Great ;) I'm sure they'll pass it on and the owners can think about it. Nat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arianwen Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 K9... thank you for the advice ;) They are willing to try to save the dog... however as usual money is a consideration for them. I am able to supply them with a pen. What does the pen situation treat? Because not only is he dominant, but he is fearful. I think his experience with humans was limited and completely negative. The other thing is, the family needs training. The lady is very very timid and the man eggs the dog on by growling back. When he growls in some situations they laugh at him. He is allowed to sleep on the bed and on the lounge, he has run of the house all the time and she gives him treats even when he is being naughty. Training dogs is one thing... training their humans is much harder... I looked into this boys eyes... it is heart breaking. I wasn't afraid of him and I could see that was unusual to him. Unfortunately I didnt bring my gloves with me. Normally with a dog like him I show them that biting doesnt get a repsonse. I have been successful in this way with other aggressive tibbies. The way I normally handle such dogs is to 'armour myself up' so if I am bitten it doesnt affect me... I can ignore it and send a message to the dog that biting isnt the solution. I begin obedience training as normal while armoured up. The most punishment they receive is a 'NO' when they do something wrong (or sent for time out), but they receive praise when they do something right more than anything. The routine is strict and I behave around them like it is always a training session. i.e. they are only rewarded (with playing, treats etc) when they do something good. That has worked for me in the past, what do you think? I wish I could take him out of the situation because I do have experience dealing with tibs like him... no where near as bad, but perhaps it is just the situation making him SO bad. However, I would never rehome him and I have no room for more residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 I am able to supply them with a pen. What does the pen situation treat? K9: it is the strongest version of the NILIF program with no risk. What is the dog fearful of? The other thing is, the family needs training. K9: they all do, lol, but the pen resets the relationship. The lady is very very timid and the man eggs the dog on by growling back. When he growls in some situations they laugh at him. K9": Im sure the humour drops out when the dog bites them. Training dogs is one thing... training their humans is much harder... K9: I really am working mostly with the latter these days, dogs are easy. That has worked for me in the past, what do you think? K9: if the dog is rank & its not trying to declare war on me, I will grab the dogs tongue if it tries to bite, I then dont let go, until way after the dog wished it had never bit, 10 mins... Like I said though, none if this will help if the family dont want to fix it or wont follow your prog. You need to get that through to them, 2 options, change or kill the dog. If they commit to every step, which are minimal to start with changes will occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Given that the humans are not likey to change in this situation (but I hope they do) I would recommend PTS. If the humans could be trained to completely turn around their ideas on how to treat this dog then there would be hope, but if money is also a consideration they won't be getting professional help either probably. In an ideal world I'd agree that the dog could be ok with professional help and committed owners, but given the circumstances it doesn't look likely that will happen, and this is a time bomb waiting to go off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Has anyone offered to take the dog on tat lives in queensland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arianwen Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 Hey, Dog becomes frightened when anyone raises their voice... then no matter what he becomes aggressive. Whether the raising of the voice is directed at him or not. But he is odd. He runs off tail down, but then when someone approaches tail goes up and he appears dominant again. Really, I'm not good at describing it. ;) Jdavis... I tend to agree... I tried to explain to her what she was doing wrong... he had a lot of excuses for it. It seems so wrong, because you just know they will get another dog... but then they do have the right to feel safe and when it comes down to it, it is the people that jut left the dog behind to go to england that are the problem. There is no quarantine from Aus to Eng... so no excuse for not taking him, other than they just didnt want him anymore. It isnt his fault... but I can promise that his last moments would be as pleasent as he will allow them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 K9: I can recommend some people in Queensland to give you a second opinion if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arianwen Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 That would be great... as I said, I am no professional! These guys are in Cleveland, Redland Shire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 K9: I have no idea where that is lol, but Trainer Jane Harper email [email protected] Behaviour Dr Jackie Perkins email [email protected] These are people I have worked with & do recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arianwen Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 THANKYOU! ;) They have decided they will do anything to help him. I know the hubby isnt happy with this, but it is what she wants to do and in the end he will support her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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