phatdex Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Johnson Am Bulldogs would be pretty similar in agility to a rotty wouldnt they? (I prefer scott type and are much more agile) And malinois are used as police dogs, but say to protect a backyard would they be too small? I guess there is a diff between police dogs and home protection dogs in training and what traits u want? People seem to want more of a monster like a roty etc for protection and a GSD/mal etc for police work. etc. As u can tell, I am not too knowldgeable on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 PF: Ah no... drug detection. Reasoning was interesting. They found that larger dogs like labs and GSDs tended to tip people off that there was detection work happening at airports. They trained mini poodles becasue they could be carried around and were less conspicuous... K9: well they dont advertise the prey item job, they make it look like they use them as detectors lol.. I did suspect though that they were drug dogs, with all that funky hair do etc... Specially the one in your avatar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Someone probably invented a "K9 Unit Utility Clip" or similar... All jokes aside, the number of 'screamers' installed in your house makes a differnece to the effectiveness of your security system. I have one and its damn loud. My installer has 12 in his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 (edited) Johnson Am Bulldogs would be pretty similar in agility to a rotty wouldnt they? (I prefer scott type and are much more agile) K9: they actually are less balanced, more weight over the front legs than a Rott, with the jaw structure on a Rott a little better. Its more the smaller gene pool I would be aware of. And malinois are used as police dogs, but say to protect a backyard would they be too small? K9: not by any means, but again, its like if you want a dog to scare people away on looks, a bigger dog will do it, good Mal pretty hard to beat though. I guess there is a diff between police dogs and home protection dogs in training and what traits u want? K9: there is you need a more stable dog for Police work. One thats a little sharp can be a great PPD. People seem to want more of a monster like a roty etc for protection and a GSD/mal etc for police work. etc. K9: again its perception over reality, any of the breeds you name could do it, but the trainer has their preferences too. With guns, some people prefer revolvers, others semi autos. Each one will get the job done but have different characteristics. Edited November 11, 2005 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grotty_rotty Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Jintanut... I feel that the presence of a large dark dog can be enough. My grotty rotty is the most gentle darling. But recently the builder next door stuck his head over the fence and GR hit that fence roaring and threw all 50 kilos at the fence. Builder no longer is a sticky beak. The Shepherd is great too... not as much roaring. But I challenge anyone to approach our front door and feel welcome with the two black and tans watching from behind the wire door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9: yes perception can be quite the reality. Remember though that this is territory guarding, walk one of those dogs down to the shop & the buidler attacks you, the dog will watch without training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grotty_rotty Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9 - I have absolutelty no doubts that is true re: off our property. I will work on the perception of a confident walk with a GSD or Rottweiler on lead will suffice as i have no plans on protection training. God forbid anything happens to me that changes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9: well a lot of the time its based on motivation, crimes based on convenience are less when you have a dog as its less convenient. Someone who has motivation to get you needs to be put down. The higher their motivation, the more pain they will endure to get at you or escape etc. I seen a large fellow from NZ, be hit by a Mal, he was without a shirt & the dog gripped his chest, man boob if you like, he had consumed prolly 8 litrs of alcohol & just said "get this thing off me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 oh and amongst all that no mention of a nice dobie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9 - I have absolutelty no doubts that is true re: off our property. I will work on the perception of a confident walk with a GSD or Rottweiler on lead will suffice as i have no plans on protection training.God forbid anything happens to me that changes that. You would need a very, very dog confident person to attack you walking two dogs of that calibre down the raod K9:Remember though that this is territory guarding, walk one of those dogs down to the shop & the buidler attacks you, the dog will watch without training. Absolutely! We had a guy come to us when protection training was still legal and he told us that his dog would defend him if the situation arised. When I asked him if his dog had prior training he said, no. We asked if he would be willing to put this to a test and he agreed. Two of us jumped him and 'mock' assaulted while his dog watched and at one stage, his own dog went to have a go at him, (which is normal for a dog to do in a pack situation. I could talk about this in a discussion on its own) He was shocked. We were not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 oh and amongst all that no mention of a nice dobie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 HR": You would need a very, very dog confident person to attack you walking two dogs of that calibre down the raod K9: confident, dumb, motivated or stupid, pick any one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9: I tend to think that the noise of the alarm panics the bad guy, no one will come, but the bad guy leaves anyway... I agree - the noise factor has a bearing on making the 'bad' guys a bit uneasy. But having said that, my alarm, which is "zoned" at night time to a certain unused area, kicked off at 3am a few weeks ago. I hit the "personal alarm" as well (it's a 'back to base' system) and, no questions asked, the security team call the police. They then ring me to see if I'm ok. Police were here in what felt like about 10 minutes. Going by reactions I've seen, I think my dog would aggress an intruder (picking up on my fear), but she's not trained so I don't bank on it . Hope I never have to put her to the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9: the time to see is not the time you need the dogs help, but its the most common time of test lol.. 10 minutes is good response time but it would feel like days if you needed them. I could have most of the guys buried by then lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 See that's why you need Rotties, there's nothing left to bury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 K9: yep shepherds are a little picky, they dont eat the hair & shoes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 (edited) See that's why you need Rotties, there's nothing left to bury Maybe my next dog, Hr? I don't have time at the moment (nor funds) for prot training. So, in the meantime, "make do". Given the "greeting" my dog gave the cops when they arrived, they expressed a wonder at why I needed them to come. (Looked very impressive to the unknowing, too, with quick compliance to a drop command which ceased the doggy din & posturing and allowed the police inside .... ) Edited November 11, 2005 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 If you want a dog bred towards prtection/protection sport (like mine) remember you have to spend a lot of time and effort training it to channel its drives towards productive things instead of shredding your home Malinois - dont discount their size, I have a 25Kg Mal yet with her sonic bark and gaping maw no one really wants to come near the fence. Reno is my girls uncle. Would you want to pat him? hmmmm dont think so You can buy ready trained personal protection animals. Thats virtually a guarentee of a dog that will prtect you under stressful situations. Just because its a large dog does not mean it will protect you when it comes to the crunch. It can be dangerous to try and train your own personal protection dog without having a professional involved. If you push a soft dog too hard you can cause too much stress and have a fearful dog, and if you start with an overly dominant dog you can create a metaphorical monster if you dont have the strength to control it. Your staffie would not be good for personal protection, as other people have said its too much of a family friendly breed. Heres some links to people you can ask about purchasing a protection dog: http://www.k9specialists.com/ http://www.schwarchundmal.com/ http://www.vonforell.com/templates/index.p..._page=kraftwerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 and another http://www.rottsvondeutsch.com.au/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 My best home watchdogs so far have been the kelpie crosses! When I lived with my parents and had the two of them, they made quite a racket people certainly waited to be told it was OK! I have found in my area people are scared of dogs in general, they even move away if I am walking Zoe! Neither of mine would protect me though. For protection, of course my input is a GSD or a Mal My next dog is likely to be a Kelpie. You should have seen Lisa's look of disbelief when I told her that She said to come and look at her prey crazy GSD fully imported first and she has pups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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