yogibear Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Lol thast what i figured vets push hard to get desexing done but i cant see the point Now when i start on the obedience phase i was oplanning to work through my training schedule a list of faoundation behaviours for the trial ring as i did wehn i got him and used food. then start heading out the door to the front yard over the road to the park then in various locations as i also did using food .. so i will start at sit and work my way through starting early next week yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) The order I use is sitz, platz, fuss. Then distraction sitz platz fuss.. or sit, down, heel, lol.. Edited November 8, 2005 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) Ok same order cool am looking forward to seeing what we get If i can ill video it in a week to show you the beginnings yb Edited November 8, 2005 by yogibear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 K9: that would be great, you need a solid heel in drive to get the dog outside, its like keeping a kite in the air, dont loose the wind so to speak. When you can teach your dog that it can stay in drive which takes concentration, (normally not possible when dog is nervy) that it wont be harmed it will be easier. Its then when you have good confidence you teach bring, retrieve etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 YUes nerves are going to be an issue im hoping i can get him high enough in drive to stay there wehn things change but i will take it slow he has very good focus for food but not good enough to overcome nerves and his prey is already higher. at the beach he wants to chase waves will work for me with the waves as a release but no way will he take food yet my sisters bitch wil take food but isnt interested in chasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim1 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 k9 Since i've started working Hagrid in prey drive i've noticed a huge improvement with his focus, confidence and overall behaviour. We are onto the heeling now (with a few jumps added in) its not perfect as yet but we’re trying. Over the past few weeks im doing the same at training classes. Rather than using treats im using his ball. He is now less distracted and his focus on me is really impressive. Most times he will do anything for me to throw that ball in mid air for him to catch. The times he wont is normally my fault & im too close to the other dogs. The other change ive seen is that he just wants to be near me all the time. If I move so does he. He’s quite happy to leave whatever his doing & comes to my feet. Even his high valued hoof gets dropped. He gives me a few licks & then just hovers around me. Is that what im after? (not the licks) Would I be seen as high value to him? Hopefully you can help me fine tune this at the worshop if im on the right track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi Slim I know im finding the same thing my puppy is sticking closer and lying at my feet he is relaxed sleeps there but seems more interested in what im doing yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 S: The times he wont is normally my fault & im too close to the other dogs K9: its more than likely because you dont have a good foundation, like theone I have asked yogi to do.. S: Is that what im after? (not the licks) Would I be seen as high value to him? K9: yes well he knows your the link to prey drive satisfaction. This is good thgough I would add more foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Yogi, Slim and K9 - you're talking about building drive by tying up a dog and teasing him with a toy, right? I tried this once with my dog a while ago. (I don't know much about training in drive, but I figured it might help his motivation in training if I managed to make his prey item of higher value to him.) He lunged at the toy a few times, then gave up when he realised he wasn't going to get the toy by lunging. Just sat there patiently watching me, no matter how I teased him with the toy. I even bounced it off his head, with no reaction. As soon as I untethered him, he jumped up and happily obeyed my commands (sitting, downing, heeling, and weaving) in order to earn his toy. Is this unusual behaviour? He's not normally that smart. (I totally understand if it's too hard to diagnose over the internet - just thought you might have come across that behaviour before) ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 A: He lunged at the toy a few times, then gave up when he realised he wasn't going to get the toy by lunging. Just sat there patiently watching me, no matter how I teased him with the toy. I even bounced it off his head, with no reaction. K9: retrospectively speaking, he should have been llowed to capture it on the second lunge... A: As soon as I untethered him, he jumped up and happily obeyed my commands (sitting, downing, heeling, and weaving) in order to earn his toy.Is this unusual behaviour? He's not normally that smart K9: dogs that have had tioo much "control" put on them do this too, they think they are breaking the leash law... I would put long line on & tease him, then witholut him knowing tether him or have someone he knows hold his long line, then tease then give, its easy to over come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Would it be worthwhile to put a harness on the dog? And it pulls on the harness if it's been taught to not pull on a collar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi Amphalaite Connor did the same the first go he hit the end of the lead and just sat seeing he has been taught not to pull on the lead i changed to a harness and then as soon as he came forward before he hit the end i let him get the toy then i waited till he hit the end and let hin get it now he hangs of the end throws himself into the harness and doesnt quiet yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 i also tied him in the manner k9 suggested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiecuddles Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I have spent the last day PMing backwards and forwards with kelpie-i as I will be joining her obedience club next year. She tells me that they train alot more in drive than most of the 'clubs' do so I interested in what this entails and whether I am instinctively using drive already(not being entirely sure of what that means ). Sascha is a very attentive pupil and I can only assume that this would relate to pack drive???? We do not train with a toy but use treats sporadically as reinforcement with verbal praise and the odd pat at the end of an exercise. Can anyone explain for me in really simple terms as I had never even heard of the concept until recently ;) Fanks guys :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Here's a simple one. http://www.nwk9.com/twosqueakies.htm To tell you the truth, I have no idea how prey drive exercises could be performed in a group setting. "It" is not like food which is a drive of course, but easier to carry, and certainly less distracting and confusing to other dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim1 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Yogi, Slim and K9 - you're talking about building drive by tying up a dog and teasing him with a toy, right? I havent as yet tied up Hagrid. all i've done so far is tease him with his ball...get him all excited & then make him work for me to release the ball. Can anyone explain for me in really simple terms as I had never even heard of the concept until recently the way we do it at training is excite the dog up with the toy so make sure the toy you have is something your dog wants. After abit of play you stop. The word i normally use is enough & the toy goes under the arm. Its very easy and can be effective. K9: its more than likely because you dont have a good foundation, like theone I have asked yogi to do If my foundation is better does that mean Hagrid's prey drive will overtake his nervousness if he's too close to other dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi Slim i dont think it will overtake i think the idea is if the prey drive is stronger then it will be easier to keep him there and foccussed on you rather than the scarey thing At least that is my interpretation because you cant change a dogs temp and nerves are part of temp Is that right k9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim1 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 K9: its more than likely because you dont have a good foundation, like theone I have asked yogi to do Yogi is setting the foundation on this topic somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I had a lovely pup, who had a lot of drive. During socialisation which was held in a local safe park, we used to walk past tennis courts. He would start to salivate, yelp is excitement, his eyes spark up more, as he knew as soon as he heard the players, he would see the tennis balls flying around. I would give him my prey drive voice cue and because of his education his focus would revert back to me as he knew from experience where his satisfaction would come from. Training in drive is fun for the dog. I cannot begin to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haven Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 K9: its more than likely because you dont have a good foundation, like theone I have asked yogi to do If my foundation is better does that mean Hagrid's prey drive will overtake his nervousness if he's too close to other dogs? I though this could be the case depending on the dog and other circumstances. This is the crux of why i want to increase my dog's drive, because drive blocks fear. K9, why is it so? Is it because the dog releases adreanalin in drive, or because their focus is more on you, some other reason, or is the statement flawed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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