Steve K9Pro Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 K9: I have just checked numbers & the 4 Paws (19th) still has a couple of places.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Hey Shoemonster, wanna book a flight to Qld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 lol I would love to go to Qld!!! The 19th is the day we come home Where is it going to be held? And what time does it start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 OK so I have a new "problem". My OH brought this pen with a laser light and the red dot its producing is an absolutly the best prey "item" my girl had ever seen :D She goes mental for it and obviously cant catch it if it moves. Hence there is no reward except the chase of it. And she is determined to catch it :D Oh and she worked out it comes from the pen and looks at the pen as well. Now is there any way I can harness this obsession? If not than not, but this little red dot has been better than any ball, rag, fly, bird, etc. Orbee with a laser? is that my answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 hey shoey you cant go to a workshop unless you take me otherwis its not fair i always miss out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) Little red dots can get dogs obsessed about reflections, shadows, etc.: stuff that you can't control in the environment. I know dogs that have done that. If all is going well with other stuff, I wouldn't go there. Edited September 18, 2006 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 hey shoey you cant go to a workshop unless you take me otherwis its not fair i always miss out lol I know!!! Steve, you have to come down for me and Stella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 M: My OH brought this pen with a laser light and the red dot its producing is an absolutly the best prey "item" my girl had ever seen :D She goes mental for it and obviously cant catch it if it moves. Hence there is no reward except the chase of it. And she is determined to catch it :D Oh and she worked out it comes from the pen and looks at the pen as well. Now is there any way I can harness this obsession? If not than not, but this little red dot has been better than any ball, rag, fly, bird, etc. Orbee with a laser? is that my answer? K9: do not use this even one more time, dogs can develop obessessive compulsive disorders & these can help do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 no worries, I wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Zoe does this although I did not teach her - she will chase reflections from watches, torch lights etc. I avoid those things around her now. My boss's dog does it too because one person ONCE used a laser pointer. She will stare at the floor and look for reflections sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Eeeww Lia, that is scary. ONCE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) Ok, I have one dog who will already get exctied and pull against her tie to get the toy But Eddie if he is tied is not at all interested in the toy, off the tie, completely different story, and in TOT he will pull against the tie cos he wants his dinner, so its not an issue with pulling I think it may be cos the first jump he was tied he jumped for the toy and flipped himself, and he's now upset about it Molly on the other hand will jump at it even if she hits the end So those who have done this work, any advice for Eddie's tie back issues? And should I be worried about Molly hitting the end of her tie and flipping herself? Oh and do you talk to them during this period? Rev them up or be silent? Edited September 18, 2006 by shoemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 K9: Its very difficult to internet train any thing, especially Training in drive stuff, sometimes what sounds like its right & its the total opposite & I wouldnt want you going wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Thanks cool, thanks anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres my rock Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 in the drive trianing you allow the dog to run to the end of the tie out and lunge for the toy to win it idea being frustration makes her more determined is that right in TOT you dont want the dog fighting the lead so can you work on both at the same time or will they counteract each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australdi Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 You have to understand people are trying to learn from this forum, & when you post things that are direct opposite to mine, then say they are the same or similar, they will bring confusion.I understand that it is probably that I don't "know" the language that you use, however, what you describe IS so similar to what I do, that I can't help but make the association...it's just that I omit the tie back...mainly, because it just isn't an issue, I have never had a problem tying up a dog whilst I go into a shop etc...(apart for them smooching for pats! ) & yet the offer of a toy, will distract my 16 mth old from anything..despite that he was only introduced to toys 4 weeks ago! so I'm fairly confident I have prey drive working well ...I probably just don't express myself well enough, as I already conceded..I speak better in animal language: dog & horse; than I do in human language K9: Its not so much the problems you will have, its the problemsyou can have, I am talking about thousands of dogs going through training... Some are easier than others, some people die from smoking, others do not.. The amount of time training can also be increased, & you must consider that the recall excercise isnt terribly complicated, when you add casts, seek backs & many other things, you need a very clear headed dog, so the drive reward must be clear... So if you had tried to extend your training you may have had problems.. ....like I tried to indicate earlier....I had to be very carefull how obviously I trained my dobe, as due to my position in the security & policing industry (I was fairly well known about the traps) I was constantly under scrutiny as to his level of training...he actually was highly trained..however to all intents and puposes he was "simply" obedience trained :p and his role was only ever companion dog! (and what a good one he was!) admittedly, I could have taken his training even further...but that would have entailed thousands of dollars outlaid, and my "gentle" giant being a declared dog....which was a path I decided was not economically or psychologically the right path to go down :p Aus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 K9 are your dogs declared? (if not should they be?) feel free to answer privatelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted September 26, 2006 Author Share Posted September 26, 2006 A: ....like I tried to indicate earlier....I had to be very carefull how obviously I trained my dobe, as due to my position in the security & policing industry (I was fairly well known about the traps) I was constantly under scrutiny as to his level of training...he actually was highly trained..however to all intents and puposes he was "simply" obedience trained :D and his role was only ever companion dog! (and what a good one he was!) K9: yes with all the descriptions you gave of what drives etc your dog wasnt working in, & you also said you trained away from the bite & then said that your dog was a manstopper, I always wondered how exactly a dog could stop a man with no bite? Bad breath perhaps? No problem here, no need to explain... A: admittedly, I could have taken his training even further. K9: Never heard anyone say that before... A: .but that would have entailed thousands of dollars outlaid, and my "gentle" giant being a declared dog. K9: not debating the cost of good protecttion work, but if you trained it yourself, it wont cost a thing? Dogs are declared dangerous out of an action, not a level of training.. ************* M: K9 are your dogs declared? (if not should they be?) feel free to answer privatelly. K9: my too old slugs? :D lol, no they are not declared anything just yet... They have never been out of control hence not declared dangerous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 K9: no they are not declared anything just yet...They have never been out of control hence not declared dangerous... thanks thats exactly what I though, but reading Aus I thought that perhaps every dog that is trained to bite HAS to be declared dnagerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted September 26, 2006 Author Share Posted September 26, 2006 K9: well Im sure I could line up at council & have them declared if I wanted to. Some one else having them declared would be something else though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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