Weimlover Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 (edited) This might souond like a dumb question would the prong collar hurt the dogs skin on there neck (If they pulled alot) I've never seen someone using one before. Edited November 1, 2005 by Weimlover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 It's best to get training for a professional if you do decide to use one. Does a prong hurt the dog's neck? Well firstly, the dog can't feel the prongs unless he pulls. I've tried one on myself, and it hurts if you pull hard on the leash, but I personally felt that the sensation was less painful than the same strength jerk on a choke chain. (Yes, I tried one of those too...) If you meant does it injure the dog - then no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weimlover Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Thanks Amhailte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobbles Posted November 1, 2005 Author Share Posted November 1, 2005 I am convinced that I need a prong collar... my partner has been telling me this- I have just been trying to train her without one- but we are making very slow progress, and the fact that she is willing to give herself a correction from a martingale is the proof. I am not scared of putting the work in, I know training gets results, I've got two dogs and they've both had obedience training, this is the first real training hurdle I have encountered. lol it may just make the prong collars look better with a bit of ribbon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 It's best to get training for a professional if you do decide to use one. Amhailte. A very important point that I neglected to mention in my post. Knobbles: Chelsea used to be quite happy to self-correct in a martingale as well, she changed her mind pretty damn quickly on the prong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobbles Posted November 1, 2005 Author Share Posted November 1, 2005 Hey chelseas mum, how many times per day and for how long did you have to train her before you got results? Just curious.. I couldn't find that "I'm so proud of bear" thread by alibear either:( I will be getting k9 force to fit the collar of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 K9: when I do a lesson with someone, their dog leaves here not pulling for me. The doig has learned to pull the owner around so although there is probably an 80% improvement with the owner of the dog, you will get to 100% with work, how much work? depends how long the dog has been pulling undetered & how efficient you are at the training, it wouldnt be out of the question to have a mature dog walking on a loose leash in 2 weeks, under distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne_Fury Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I have a problem with my older beagle/cross basset who is almost nine. I have had him for just over a year and also have a dalmatian who is three. I attended basic level obedience with my dalmatian and he is well behaved and I have continued the training at home as we had a few issues with one of the instructors that believed all dogs should be trained on a correction chain. I have had no experience with correction chains and so was loathe to use one. My dalmatian is always walked on a flat collar and for the most part now does not pull. I do not insist that he walk in the heel position all the time, just when we are training. Is this wrong? My beagle/basset loves to pull and I am sure that he has had no obediance training whatsoever. He is much better behaved now when i first got him and is getting there. He is just a "pet" if you like, a very loved and much valued part of my family, but I have no aspirations of doing any kind of dog sports or anything with him as he is getting on in years and also was rescued to be a companion for my dalmatian and for me. He is a great dog and I love to take both of the dogs for a walk together and they do actually both walk better when they are together as neither likes to be left at home. Occassionally my sister or other friends or family will come for a walk with us and I usually have them walk Jake (Dalmatian) and I will walk Murray. He is a very strong dog and weighs around 25-30kgs and does like to pull. I have tried the stop start method, but these doesn't seem to work too well, most likely I am perhaps not doing it correctly. All I would like to achieve is to have him walking freely on lead and not pulling all of the time. I haven't heard of prong collars before and noticed that someone mentioned that they have now been banned in victoria, which is where I live. Could anyone suggest a good trainer in Melbourne who would be able to give me a few pointers and point me in the right direction. I didn't have any problems with Jake as he was younger and more willing, Murray (beagle/basset) on the other hand is older and more set in his ways, but I am sure once I know the correct way to begin that I can turn this around. Thanks and sorry for the long post Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I do not insist that he walk in the heel position all the time, just when we are training. Is this wrong? K9: if the heel command is of no use to you, there is little point training it, I prefer a non formal walk position, thats what I teach pets... I have tried the stop start method, but these doesn't seem to work too well, most likely I am perhaps not doing it correctly. K9: dogs pull towards something they want, when you start & stop, stopping doesnt break the focus but instead creates frustration, frustration raises drive which will make him pull more... All I would like to achieve is to have him walking freely on lead and not pulling all of the time. K9: he is 9, lol, poor ol fella has his own adgenda & will be determined on keeping it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne_Fury Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Thanks K9. Yep he was 8 when I got him he was found as a stray and I got him from the RSPCA. He is much better, but I would like to gain even more control and not have walking such a chore because both of my dogs love it so much. Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 rather than recommend anything I would prefer to show you what I would do with him, I would do some special bonding excercises, some hidden treasure excercises etc, but there are some very good trainers in Vic, many of them on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 (edited) Hey chelseas mum, how many times per day and for how long did you have to train her before you got results? Just curious.. It took about half an hour for her to figure out that it was in her best interest not to pull... then worked on slowly introducing distractions (she's a very easily distracted dog) All up, about three weeks before she was reliable... but I must admit that she didn't get walked every day (naughty, naughty!) - it really should have been two weeks! K9 - on those special bonding exercises and treasure exercises, can you elaborate? My younger sis is having a bit of trouble with her pound pooch and bonding. ETA: I couldn't find that "I'm so proud of bear" thread by alibear either:( It was in the general area, not the training forum. Edited November 3, 2005 by ChelseasMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 K9: its really a demo thing? showing some certain touch & praise moves, that sort of thing, very hard to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 K9... so when are you flying over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 K9: when you organise it...lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 You hear that Perthies!!! Who wants K9 over here? We can band together and relocate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne_Fury Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 rather than recommend anything I would prefer to show you what I would do with him, I would do some special bonding excercises, some hidden treasure excercises etc, but there are some very good trainers in Vic, many of them on here. Thanks K9 I will suss them out Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobbles Posted November 3, 2005 Author Share Posted November 3, 2005 ok, thats it. I have made a diary and am checking off two training sessions a day for two weeks. I am going to try my hardest and keep dedicated to it, every day, twice a day at least. I've read over the 'slow' notes again and am going to DO IT You'll hear from me later on to tell you the progress. (I also bought a 9 metre lead yesterday and am going to incorporate recalls into the training with both my dogs aswell) TIME TO GET TRAINING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 TIME TO GET TRAINING Just to give you more motivation - we want update every second day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobbles Posted November 5, 2005 Author Share Posted November 5, 2005 ok myszka, you asked for it! So far so good. I am trying to make every training session a good & productive one. If Leela is too distracted, I take it down a notch. Before I was training her, but not every day and certainly not twice a day. I always used to find it hard to get her to walk nicely down the small stretch of road before we get to the park where there is usually less distractions. But today SHE DID IT! There are alot of distractions as we have stacks of dogs in our street and they all bark and carry on when you walk past. So much progress in just a couple of days. I'm looking forward to seeing what she'll be like in two weeks! (ps. hope you had fun at the pet expo myszka, I went yesterday as OH had to work today- so we missed you! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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