knobbles Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Hey just wondering if anyone has used these before? Here's a description and an image of one: http://www.worldpetstore.com/sporpulcon.html They are supposed to miraculously stop a dog from pulling, and I haven't seen them around before and think that they are probably a new product. So.. any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolibah Coolies Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Trifecta sent me one out to try on Tiger the big Kelpie who can put my shoulders out with his pulling, took me a while to work it out but it does work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I've talked to a girl who used one on her dog. She said it worked to stop the dog pulling (though only while it was wearing the harness obviously!), and that the dog accepted it much more easily than a head collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) I've used a similar harness called the 'Pro-Stop' available in PP and on Ebay for cheaper. Initially, yes excellent, but it's an aid, the dog will learn how to manipulate it after time. My parents lab has been on one for approx 6 months and it pretty much does nothing at all now. So if you're going to use it, you really need to praise when the pooch is not pulling etc. My 63kg male Dane is on the training halter from Black Dog, apart from not being a big fan of head halters it controls him very well, I have just ordered their new model which looks more safe and easier to control and you clip the leash to the back of the neck rather than under the chin. See BlackDog products at Black Dog Website Have you tried the stop/start method yet? Where you stop dead in your tracks every time the dog pulls and reward when it's not pulling? Edited October 30, 2005 by sas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstar Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Initially i was looking for that sporn training harness for my dog. no stores carried it. so reluctantly i went out and bought a gentle leader(didnt think it would work) it worked WONDERS. no more pulling. dog walks great. only thing i dont like about it is it messed up her fur and it used to go back to normal but now the fur on her nose has been messed up for awhile... i wonder if this is normal? i didnt use it for a few days to see if her fur would lay back down correctly but its still wack.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstar Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I have just ordered their new model which looks more safe and easier to control and you clip the leash to the back of the neck rather than under the chin. Let me know how this one works please!! currently i have gentle leader that goes under her chin. i wonder if this one works better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 the fur can get messed up but I guess that is the price you pay, but if pooch aint pulling the BlackDog won't put hard pressure on the nose therefore you won't suffer the fur issue. BlackDog v Gentle Leader, the Blackdog halters don't sit as close to the eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooper Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I have a Sporn halter for Jack (30kg heeler X) which I bought on a holiday in the US when my in-laws were staying. He was too strong for them to walk and, yes, with the Sporn he couldn't pull nearly as much. I don't use it regularly, as we obedience train on a check chain and hope to move to a flat collar somewhere down the track. Apart from making it easier for my elderly in-laws to walk Jack, I found it really useful in the Canberra winter, when I prefer to do our early morning walk with my hands in my pockets!! As others have said, it's a tool to manage the pulling but in Jack's case, it didn't magically teach him to stay at heel or something. Hope that helps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstar Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) the fur can get messed up but I guess that is the price you pay, but if pooch aint pulling the BlackDog won't put hard pressure on the nose therefore you won't suffer the fur issue.BlackDog v Gentle Leader, the Blackdog halters don't sit as close to the eyes. wtf. does their fur ever go back to normal? Edited October 30, 2005 by rockstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobbles Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 Have you tried the stop/start method yet? Where you stop dead in your tracks every time the dog pulls and reward when it's not pulling? I have tried... everything. She is a complete nutter and is highly distracted. I have been training her for ages, and I just don't seem to get results. I don't think she cares for the training collar we have now (one of those martingale ones) considering she runs out the lead and flips on the end of it- hope that makes sense. I think she has some screws loose I have got one now- she's still pulling, but it's manageable. Thanks for the link.. shall check out their stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXy Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 great advise thanks guys my lab boy is a puller no matter what ive tried chocker chains stop start and with a bad shoulder its very hard to walk 2 dogs with i pulling and a bad shoulder.... was going to try the halti but local pet suplies shop told me to keep trying choker chain with short lead and smack him on nose with newspaper.!!! i didnt try this of course.... so will look at halti or some type of harness ... i have heard tho with harness the dogs tend to pull more and can use all of their body weight to pull u with...lol with that i have mental pictures of me and doge skateing down the park.!!!lol any mpre sugestions would be appreciated dodge loves his walks but i simply can not go on my own and would love to be out walking more to benefit both me and dodge helpppp pleaseeeeee thanks in anticipation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Lablover, I think you are talking about car/tracking harnesses. These do encourage the dog to pull a lot more. The sporn type harness pulls up under the dogs 'underarms' and is quite uncomfortable for them when they pull. I use one which is called 'ezi walker' and I can manage my two GSPs quite comfortably with one hand when walking on the street (only place I would use them as they run off lead most of the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXy Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 ahhhh thank you BOF much appreciated will be off to shops this week to look for something similar to help with dodges pulling and make walking more enjoyable for both of us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 K9: No tool alone will stop your dog from pulling, what these do is create discomfort when pulling through leverage, when the tool comes off, you dog will be the same. Dogs stop pulling through training & leadership. The tools that you use can make that easier or harder. 'The tool you speak of is not something I wiuld ever use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReXy Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 thanks k9 could u offer any other sugestions???? or maybe give me some idea... or links to someone in vic not sure if k9 is in vic ill do a search thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 K9: I would suggest that you start with a martingale collar, & you will need a trainer also, if you send me an email [email protected], I will give some contacts for trainers in Vic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 K9 Force. We don't live in a perfect world. As I am 60+ and female with bad back and knees, I use these harnesses as a safety measure. If my guys decide to take off after a cat I can prevent any huge rush!!! This is the only reason I use the harnesses. Am completely aware that they do not stop pulling but as I walk 2 dogs I cannot walk them at 'heel' position as one will always be out of position. As I still work full time I do not have the time to walk them one by one. They generally get their exercise at the off lead area (which they enjoy much more than walking on a lead). Personally, I would never use a head halter as I have seen too many people jerk the dogs' heads with them and I am sure they could cause more damage to necks than check chains do (but let's not get in to that argument)!!! Have never found a head halter to fit a GSP head correctly anway. As I ruined my first dog by yanking him around on the check chain I will never use one again. Which, of course, is my choice and I won't force it on anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weimlover Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) I had tried most things with Bailey Including all the head halters (Black Dog, GL, Halti) the Pro Stop and the Lupi harnesses and none of them worked for Bailey . Then I tried the Sporn harness with him and It has worked wonders To begin with I used it for every walk for a couple of months and giving lots of praise when he wasn't pulling and then began weening him off of it a little bit at a time. Now I can use a flat collar on him with out him pulling. Ocasionally he will start pulling again so I put the halter back on for a couple of times and do the praising again and then he seems to be fine . I do tend to agree with some of the others that it wont fix the problem on its own, it took me a lot of praising, but it made training ALOT EASIER . My arms were not pulled off for one thing As I ruined my first dog by yanking him around on the check chain I will never use one again. Which, of course, is my choice and I won't force it on anyone else. I hope you don't mind me asking BOF but how did it ruin your first dog? I was always worried about hurting Bailey with the check chain Edited October 31, 2005 by Weimlover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yeah, Weimlover!! Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Sorry, weimlover, didn't see the question on your last post. I was taught to 'rip him off his feet' and as I knew nothing about training and had this very willful 8month old GSP - I did what I was told . At 2 and a half he started having spasms and initially was diagnosed with spondylitis. I took him to our wonderful chiro and he spent the rest of his life being treated by him for extensive spinal problems (not spondylitis). He managed to get an AD (when that was the only qualificaction for agility) and TDX and CDX. He was far too 'creative' in the UD ring - used to play to the audience all the time but he always had a good time and in the end he died from a cancer somewhere in his head. I always knew he didn't have a brain!!! I can never forgive myself for the damage I did to him and therefore will never use a check chain again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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