melbell Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I was speaking to a work colleague today who used to be a vet nurse, I was telling her about the problem we have with Toby (that he can be aggressive towards other dogs). She mentioned that there is a hormone implant that he can have which could help. Just wondering if anyone has heard of this? I called my vet and he didnt know anything about it. Thanks Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I wonder if this is the implant: http://www.theveterinarian.com.au/industry.../article498.asp Remember too, drugs are continuing produced. Many vets are not aware of many, until the reps call in!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 there was an ad in this months vicdog for an implant for desexing rather than an op lsts six months by proptech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I wonder how the implant differs in hormonal effect from a desexing operation? I was speaking to a behaviourist this week (Delta and NDTF trained) who said that it was now "pretty much scientifically proven" (I have no idea about his basis for saying this) that (in male dogs at least) desexing doesn't reduce aggressive tendencies, but rather reduces the desire of other dogs to challenge. i.e. the changes noted in behaviour after desexing are not in fact due to the dog mellowing, but are actually due to the reduction in the challenges the dog faces, since he's not giving off Big Entire Male Testosterone Vibes anymore. Have others heard this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I wonder how the implant differs in hormonal effect from a desexing operation? I was speaking to a behaviourist this week (Delta and NDTF trained) who said that it was now "pretty much scientifically proven" (I have no idea about his basis for saying this) that (in male dogs at least) desexing doesn't reduce aggressive tendencies, but rather reduces the desire of other dogs to challenge. i.e. the changes noted in behaviour after desexing are not in fact due to the dog mellowing, but are actually due to the reduction in the challenges the dog faces, since he's not giving off Big Entire Male Testosterone Vibes anymore. Have others heard this? I have been telling people that for years!!! Finally someone in a labcoat backed me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 K9: I have worked with a number of people & talked to a few more that have tried this option, each one of them felt that it made a considerable difference. The cost from memory was around $120.00, the implant lasts approx 6months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 So is the implant only for entire male dogs, or can de-sexed ones have it too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 K9: suitable for all dogs, incl desexed bitches.... Commonly known fact that desexing female dog can raise / aggravate / increase aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yeah, I've heard that about desexed bitches. I guess bitches have more testosterone in the system after desexing or something - kind of the opposite of desexing a male dog? Might have to ring up my vet and make enquiries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Do you know whether it affects the implanted dog's behaviour, or does it change the way the dog appears to other potential challengers? Sounds like it might be very useful even in the short term during retraining and desensitisation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazz Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 What about undesexed bitches ? The only thing that worries me is the continued use of the product and what effect the number of implants floating around the dog's body has ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 the implant dissolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Do you know whether it affects the implanted dog's behaviour, or does it change the way the dog appears to other potential challengers? K9: lol, it wont change the dogs outward appearance other than the fact the dog may not display aggressive body language. Sounds like it might be very useful even in the short term during retraining and desensitisation? K9: yes & its harmless as its simply a balance of hormones. What about undesexed bitches ? K9: they may benefit if there is a hormone imbalance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 (edited) Do you know whether it affects the implanted dog's behaviour, or does it change the way the dog appears to other potential challengers? K9: lol, it wont change the dogs outward appearance other than the fact the dog may not display aggressive body language. That's sort of what I meant, but I'm also trying to understand how it fits in with desexing reducing the challenges faced by the desexed dog - by "appearance" I meant pheremones/smells etc as well... So it sounds like this implant might hormonally calm the implanted dog, thus affecting its behaviour, as opposed to desexing which (in males at least), might help by reducing the challenges the desexed dog is faced with - ie affecting the behaviour of other dogs? Have I made sense this time? Edited October 19, 2005 by Mana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim1 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Commonly known fact that desexing female dog can raise / aggravate / increase aggression I noticed an immediate change in me samoyed when she was desexed and not in a good way. Tried talking to my vet who wouldnt have a bar of that notion. Have since moved and even the new vet doesnt believe that. Does anyone have any links to literature that desexing females can increase aggression and hormone implants can relieve some of the symptoms? Would love to be able to go to the vet and say see.... hormone injection now please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 hahaha my boy seems more aggressive a month after being de-sexed...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 hahaha my boy seems more aggressive a month after being de-sexed...... I've heard different people say different lengths of time, but maybe in a few weeks the "boy-juice" will have dissipated a bit, sas... I've been told everything from 2 weeks to a year for the testosterone levels to settle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbell Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 Good to know that there is something out there that may help him, now I just have to search around for a vet that knows about it. The girl from work is from Melbourne and she absolutley raved about it (she had a dog agressive dog) she swears it was almost like someone had switched her dog...she went from having to muzzel him everytime they walked anywhere to taking him to the offlead parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Wow Melbell, that sounds like a dream come true... I'll definately have to ask about this implant next time I'm at my vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mana Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I wonder if this is the implant: http://www.theveterinarian.com.au/industry.../article498.asp Remember too, drugs are continuing produced. Many vets are not aware of many, until the reps call in!!!! So was this the right product? It does say in that blurb that behavioural changes are a sort of side effect... Just wondering if Suprelorin ® was the one K9Force etc were referring to cause I'd want to know exactly what I was asking for if my vet hadn't heard of it. Would it help at all in desexed males? Presumably they're not producing any testosterone once they're desexed, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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