Latisha Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Thanks so much - I am getting quote now and may have some luck in the future with it. I need to get my confidence up a bit still though. This is what is so weird, I am fine with other peoples dogs but I freak out with my dog a bit because I can't stand the thought of her getting hurt ever hehe (hence I caused her to be fear aggressive). I am way to emotionally attached to her I think (but thats ok). I just want to help all the other dogs out there that have problems which is why I want to learn everything about all training methods / activities etc. Its nice to know though that insurance may be available. I thought it would be almost non existant for that career (I know it is hard for people in the horse world). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 BTW, it is not necessary to have a shooters license. Oh ok...I thought I read on the Vic Gundog website that all competitors must have a licence..?? :rolleyes: That is good news though- if I don't have to have one. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I think Lablover was referring to the USA/Canada Hunt Tests!!!! No gun required therefore no gun licence needed. It is definitely required in Victoria and NSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagsalot Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 When i last looked into the NDTF was about $3000 and didnt offer it by correspondance and you had to attend one weekend a month in melbourne. Ive done the SOA in animal care through Thompson Ed. and really enjoyed it. Im now doing the Obedience Trainer one - I have my learning materials but havent actually started yet. I think THompson Ed Courses are a great starting point - the staff are friendly and their learning materials are excellent. I cannot fault them. Plus you get the convience of learning from home in your own time. rubeedoo - have you done a Thompson Ed. Course???? Obviously Thompson Ed courses wont allow you to go straight out and train dogs as a job, but they are a hell of a good starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) Yes its a shame you cant pay for a module at a time in these courses when i did my tafe course that was what i did payed for a few mods then did some more then did the prac hours it was great for those on a budget so long as i finished within a certainperiod it was fine though thats probably all changed now too Dont think im criticisng i think if you have the money then go for it this is just an observation it would be good if both Delta and NDTF offered smaller versions of their courses for peopel who are just starting out and maybe want to further their own knowledge like a base module then to get certified you could do the extra modules for that Edited October 11, 2005 by yogibear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 .... it would be good if both Delta and NDTF offered smaller versions of their courses for peopel who are just starting out and maybe want to further their own knowledge like a base module then to get certified you could do the extra modules for that Don't know about Delta, but NDTF have electives which allows the student to take an expanded course, if required. However, to divide the base course into units IMO would be detrimental to its overall success, as many things learnt in one unit overlap and intertwine and go to explain more in another unit. When all the units are completed, it is recognised how the components to dog training and understanding dogs all comes together in the end. You haven't completed the book until you've read all the chapters. Nice idea YB in theory, but don't believe it would be advantageous, either to the high reputation NDTF carries, nor to the participants of the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I agree Erny these things are always nice in theory as i said i wasnt picking just wishing lol yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haven Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Also, the NDTF don't require payment in full before the course commences (or didn't when i did it). Many of the students also receive sponsorship from a kennel, vet or training organisation IE they only pay a portion of the cost in return for working with said vet, training oganisation etc for a specific number of hours. Having done the course, I can tell you that Ery is 100% correct. All of the theory ties in and doing seperate modules would really hinder learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I agree Erny these things are always nice in theory as i said i wasnt picking just wishing lol Realise this, YB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 rubeedoo - have you done a Thompson Ed. Course???? yep, both the SOA in Animal Care (found that to be quite good) and the Pet Obedience one too... its a good course for beginners but doesnt compair to the NDTF course. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I know I'm a big spokes person for the NDTF course and I'm sure that anyone on here who has done the courses thorugh NDTF would agree with what I'm saying. At one stage I was thinking about conducting my own training course for trainers with a group of other prominate trainers but after we sat down and looked at what the NDTF was offering we came to realise that hands down, they have the best material in Australia and in my opinion are producing some of the best trainers as well. Boyd Hooper who is a great friend of mine and a mentor is arguably one of the greatest teaches of canine psychology that I know of. I heard him debate with notable animal psychologists, zoologists and PHD's from Australia and International and he really knows his topic. Boyd is one of the main lecturers on the course which gives so much credability as to why I and many others are so passionate about the NDTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Hi HR Having loke at most of the courses available i would tend to agree Others are perfect for someone just starting out i guess but then if you can raise the funds i would do the NDTF course it seesm to cover everything and is aimed at teaching people to be better dog trainers not how to run a business like some do.. I havent done the course and the only feed back i have had is what i have read on here and from looking at the site but it seesm to be the most in depth course around Having said that a friend has done the Thompson one and though it is basic is a good grounding for someone just starting out so i guess in the end it depends on how much money a person is willing to pay and what they hope to gain There are other courses DElta and Kintala run one each and i think a couple of professional trainers have courses also I know ALpha used to run one for their instructors that loked excellent but you probably would have to be a client Kintala takes in outside people but it costs more for them and its only aimed at using positive reinfoecment techniques i think at least that is what im lead to believe. Personally i think the VCA should get its act together and offer a trianing course for club instructors or at least offer subsidys to clubs to get their instructors trained elsewhere rather than what they have at the moment which might as well be nothing yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagsalot Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 rubeedoo - have you done a Thompson Ed. Course???? yep, both the SOA in Animal Care (found that to be quite good) and the Pet Obedience one too... its a good course for beginners but doesnt compair to the NDTF course. .. I havent started the Obedience Trainer on yet - ive got it here though - how long did it take to do? As long as the SOA in Animal Care? \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) I havent started the Obedience Trainer on yet - ive got it here though - how long did it take to do? As long as the SOA in Animal Care? nope, no way near as long... only a matter of a few months with the obedience trainer one. they have exercises (un-graded) to do also so if you have your own dog it really helps (LOL, im guessing you do..) I really cant recommend the NDTF course enough but if its not financially possible, try to get some hands-on volunteer experience with a good obedience club... you will learn so much more from it Edited October 12, 2005 by rubeedoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagsalot Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I really cant recommend the NDTF course enough but if its not financially possible, try to get some hands-on volunteer experience with a good obedience club... you will learn so much more from it Its not only the price - having to travel from Sydney to Melbourne once a month is impossible for me too (i work saturdays). When i was looking at all the courses a while ago I actually liked the look of the DELTA better than NDTF. Main reason is because DELTA do it by a weeks stay at the beginning, and a weeks stay at the end. Alot more pracitical. But if NDTF did offer something like that, or by correspondance Id pick that. Shame they only do it in Victoria....I know a few people in Sydney who decided against the NDTF due to the travel requirements every month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 K9: I was speaking to Julija (Training & Development Manager NDTF) who said that "We are going to be setting up a distance learning option by January 2006, so hopefully people from all around Australia will be able to do the course. Block training will be part of it where they come to Melbourne and possibly Sydney for a week block at the beginning and a week block toward the end of the course." I dont offer my endorsements lightly, but I can tell you that the NDTF is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 When i was looking at all the courses a while ago I actually liked the look of the DELTA better than NDTF. cant say I know much about Delta, lol, I just asked steve where I should go and he recommended NDTF... I havent looked back since... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 When i was looking at all the courses a while ago I actually liked the look of the DELTA better than NDTF. cant say I know much about Delta, lol, I just asked steve where I should go and he recommended NDTF... I havent looked back since... From what I have seen and in my opinion, DELTA teaches with biased view on dog training, where NDTF looks at it from every spectrum. I'm sure Steve from K9, Erny, Haven and many others who have knowledge in such manners that the best dog trainers have a very open mind and need to be very resourseful when training dogs. There is no one way to train dogs and dogs are not dolphins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagsalot Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) As i said - the main reason i liked the look of delta was because they offered better options for people not in Vic. Edited October 12, 2005 by wagsalot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Yes, I'll give you that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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