Guest Tess32 Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 If you're going to use a long lead you can also get these "snap backs" that lessen the impact...don't know if they work though. Nat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 K9: for long line attack work where the dog is on a tie out, I use 12mm bungie cord, so there is no impact at the end of the leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 K9: what this means is, when I am training someone to use the remote collar or they need to understand my method, I use a radio scanner, that I tune into the 27Mhz signal put out by the remote. I was unaware of "radio scanners" .... pardon my ignorance, but are they specially designed for this purpose? Where do you get them from? Sounds like a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 K9: can be bought at any Radio shop like Tandy, DSE etc, the scan frequencies like Police Channels etc... You can only recieve, not transmit, so hear not speak, lol... When someone is using the collar, I can have the scanner on my belt or utility vest & hear how long the dog is being stimmed, when & monitor the timing, as can anyone else watching.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Thank you, K9. Will look to invest in one .... great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 ahh so these bungy things do exist i thought so l. yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 yes, the ones I use a=have a 20% stretch at about 60kgs, when I run a civil agitation lesson on an attack dog, you have to remind yourself after he reaches the end of the line, he will keep coming for a few steps. (Civil agitation = no protective equipment) lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 lol not a job for the faint hearted then lol yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 K9: considering that I feel that there is a real need (to elevate drive) to have the dog "taste" my skin cells & sweat, you need to get quite close.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 plenty of arnica for the bruises then lol so if im ever up your way and you aske for a hand with some civil agitation training i should eat heaps of garlic so as to knock the dog out before he gets to close lol yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 K9: lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 OK, so anyone know where I can get a long lead with a bit of 'give' in it? Hopefully, it wont be much longer that we even need one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Contact abseiling shops & ask for bungee cord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 Oh lordy... I can just imagine the neighbours looks now! Little tiny me with dog on e-collar with remote around my neck, treat bag around waist, pocket stuffed with her tug toy, water bottle and a massive bungee rope trudging down to the local park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Oh lordy... I can just imagine the neighbours looks now!Little tiny me with dog on e-collar with remote around my neck, treat bag around waist, pocket stuffed with her tug toy, water bottle and a massive bungee rope trudging down to the local park :p They'll probably think ..... "aaahhhh, now there goes a proper dog trainer!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 so long as there are no cliffs at the local park they probably will be ok but if there is they may be wondering whoss going to hold the bungee ad whos going to jump. yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Carthy Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) Are you guys still haveing probs with the infamous Dr Worth? we used his name quite a lot when we were fighting the cranks and political extremists when the tried to get a ban on e-colars here (uk). Dr Worth led the most luctrative collecting scam Aus ever had from 1996 to 2001, he must have netted $1000's collecting money to fight his campaing, which is what it was all about. When your RSPCA was ordered to pay $1000 to Innotek we used it quite a lot Wirths name was more famous here than there. Hey you guys are lucky, compared to us you dont have any cranks ranting over e's-well not on this site anyway anyway. As it happens, one of our anti e charities 'The Dogs Trust' has suddenly, unexepectectedly, found itself under an uncomfortouble microscope now we have the first and ONLY UK site which allows e-collar postings. My guess is - well guesswork of course - 'they aint seen nothing yet' http://s7.invisionfree.com/dogadvicetraini...p?showtopic=109 Edited October 7, 2005 by Denis Carthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 K9: Hey Dennis, good to see you back... DC: Hey you guys are lucky, compared to us you dont have any cranks ranting over e's-well not on this site anyway anyway K9: oh they are here alright, waiting to strike I bet lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) Are you guys still haveing probs with the infamous Dr Worth? Hi Denis. Yep, except we don't usually attach the word "Doctor" to his surname. We usually use other descriptive styles! So the UK are "gagged" in so far as e-collars are concerned? And 'discussion' is supposed to be the way to learn. Makes you feel like some people are concerned of populas education for fear of not getting their own way. A bit cowardice, IMO. Is the use of e-collars in the UK unrestricted? Or do some places allow only restricted use, as here in Victoria AUS? :p Did Hugely Worthless also manage a ban on prong collars in UK, as he did here in Victoria? Edited October 7, 2005 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Carthy Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) Hi Steve nice to call in again and see the levels of education at their premium on this site, you cannot even talk about 'Corrections' on UK sites at all even without e-collars, Below was Lou’s last comment, I was banned probably around 50 + times on that site for supporting e-collars, including week end before last. It did not do much good that week end though cause the person did get an anti bark and saved neighbour problems and the dog maybe ending in rescue-the favoured option of the cranks here. Lou’s last comments after we both got banned last May. http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/cgi-bin/bo...ow.pl?tid=68548 Ern So the UK are "gagged" in so far as e-collars are concerned? And 'discussion' is supposed to be the way to learn. Makes you feel like some people are concerned of populas education for fear of not getting their own way. A bit cowardice, IMO. Denis Yes it is a total ban, needless to say I caused havoc on the sites when they were on their campaign to ban them. Our government updated the Animal Laws over a two year period, finished last July. The ban campaign was massive BUT, they had never seen an e-collar, knew nothing about e-collars etc which could give only one possible result – they lied about them gave descriptions of collars of 30 years ago except those collars were not used in the way they claimed anyway. The false claims hit them in the face-I was UK specialist trainer on remote e-training collars on the government consultation on them in 2002, apart from the verbal I did a demo with two government vets with a Tri Tronics Pro 100. Of course before that they had been told the collars gave electric shocks, the dogs were burned, basically all the rubbish worth was saying there, brain damage fits etc – I submitted some papers after that in early 2004 as the bill was in its final stage of process, the purpose was to maintain and update facts and presence. After that consultation that was pretty much the beginning of the end for the cranks but they absolutly saturated the net and dog papers with all kinds of lies and false claims – I was rampant around the UK net helped by Lou Castle in spring 2003, but although could get little accurate info through we got enough and people slowly trying them-the irony is pet owners had never even heard of e-collars until the saturation campaign began and it was that saturation which publicised their existance/ The result was that not only did our government not make any laws on them at all they had had so many cranks and political extremists flooding them with phone calls and letters instead of restricting e-collars in any way the stiffened up the laws on animal extreamists many who are know known to them because of their e-collar ban campaign – so that’s it condensed. They are starting again and the Charity on the new UK web site is one of them, this time, they are starting something they will very regret. Ern Is the use of e-collars in the UK unrestricted? Or do some places allow only restricted use n Denis There are no restrictions of any kind and for some legal reasons which came dureing the campaign such a law would probably be illegal here, no restrictions on prongs pet owners have been brainwashed into thinking they are cruel, you cannot get them in the shops though I have a couple from pre-e collar days. In 2002 when I got involved very very few pet owners knew of their existance and there were very very few at all in the uk and 5 medium sized retailers + the odd one man band, I doubt very much if there were more than 3 - 5000 static pulse collars of all kinds in the UK then. The sales figures of colars sold by companies trading within the UK last July 2005 was 750,000 actualy sold in the UK by companies trading in the UK and there are around 50 medium sized comanies selling them and hundreds of one man bands around and heavens knows how many imported from USA, the dollar is low and many people have imported, I have only ever imported from US for my own purposes and apart from anti bark recomend people import them, the USA imports must be very high. Has anyone evr looked into the legality of the restrictions ovver there? your laws are different but it would be worth looking into, still I suspect Innotek already did that and must think it is legal there. Anyways really nice to drop by, I wish we had sites of this caliber in UK and any of you who feel like the odd post on our site would be more than welcome, not just e-collars anything. Good luck guys. Edited October 7, 2005 by Denis Carthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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