sidoney Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) Used at training level I don't think it can be classed as aversive. You can barely feel the thing. It's more like a communicative marker really. If there is any aversive in it it's a very low level. Edited October 6, 2005 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Training concepts Another good read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 This was in that article, HR. Do you know what the author means by this? I use an audio monitor so I can hear how well the client is progressing. Am I just having a blond day? Does he simply mean he talks to his clients (like, by phone?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) Actually it can be negative reinforcment and postive punishment, can it not? Yep. And also as a simple "cue" and, if trained that way, a "reward". Edited October 6, 2005 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 This was in that article, HR. Do you know what the author means by this? I use an audio monitor so I can hear how well the client is progressing. Am I just having a blond day? Does he simply mean he talks to his clients (like, by phone?) That one stumped me too Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 That one stumped me too Erny Oh good ... can go put the hair dye back in the cupboard. Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidoney Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) I would say that the collar is set to a tone as well as the stim so that the trainer can hear when it's on and when it's off, so that the trainer can monitor its use and students can get feedback about their timing. Edited October 6, 2005 by sidoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Rottweiler Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 That's a possible explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldielover Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thanks for the info on the e-collar. I haven't had anything to do with them at all in the past. The topic reminded me of a situation at work though.... i work in a dementia-specific nursing home and we have a particular resident who breaks all of the keypads & locks on the doors, amongst other things. Anyway, they came to fix them (again) the other day and i happened to mention "can't we just give her a bit of a shock?"... i was joking naturally! Unfortunately our podiatrist doesn't get my sense of humour and went into a spiel about how wrong it was to treat a resident this way.. DUH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricey Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thanks for the info on the e-collar. I haven't had anything to do with them at all in the past. The topic reminded me of a situation at work though.... i work in a dementia-specific nursing home and we have a particular resident who breaks all of the keypads & locks on the doors, amongst other things. Anyway, they came to fix them (again) the other day and i happened to mention "can't we just give her a bit of a shock?"... i was joking naturally! Unfortunately our podiatrist doesn't get my sense of humour and went into a spiel about how wrong it was to treat a resident this way.. DUH!! bwahahahahahahahahaha! Your podiatrist needs to lighten up I too work in dementia specific aged care (it's only a small percentage of my work, but I like it ). To survive, you need a wicked, warped sense of humour The podiatrist will not last the distance cheers, Peter D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 wow you were lucky i have two concerns the first lesson you learnt cheap equipment is cheap for a reason lol two what if the collar hadnt broken that would have been some impact on the dogs neck and may have caused an injury. I dont use long lines in that manner but is there one that has some sort of give in it I know poeople are goign to say yeah but the dog corrects itself but if you call too late and the dog whacks the end and hurts its neck it may associate you calling with the whack . With the ecollar the dog doesnt know where the stim came from. and if the long line had give you would still have the self correction if you wanted but without the heavy impact. Ive seen a lot of dogs fly through the air when doing long line recalls because the owner hasnt the timing its a bit of a worry yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachiie Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Wow, what a scare, Chelsea! Thank God everything is okay. Knowing me, I probably would have cried in relief once she got back. Did you have to sit at the park for a while until you had calmed down!? I'm so glad everything is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 I dont use long lines in that manner but is there one that has some sort of give in it...and if the long line had give you would still have the self correction if you wanted but without the heavy impact. I attach my dog's long line to a harness, not a collar, for this very reason. Even if I have to stop him dead on it, it won't hurt his neck. Glad everything worked out for you, Chelseasmum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogibear Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 good idea amphlaite the harness would be better i think. im sure i saw somewhere that you could get longlines with bungy cord in them wonder if they are any good i didnt take much notice at the time but this does raise a point yb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninaandted Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 sorry I just had a bit of a giggle because we use a long lead on a harness and Nina did a sudden run and pulled me over and I broke a rib! but better my rib than her neck (we'll keep using the long line and on the harness - I'll just learn to pay more attention!!) not being negative - it just made me laugh. I don't have alot of luck with long leads!! and 100% of the time it's my fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I use an audio monitor so I can hear how well the client is progressing. K9: what this means is, when I am training someone to use the remote collar or they need to understand my method, I use a radio scanner, that I tune into the 27Mhz signal put out by the remote. This means that anyone in ear shot can hear an audio reference of when the trainer is stimming the dog (pressing the remote). It's nice to show people how little you need to use the collar to get those outstanding results... ********************** K9: Well done Chelseas mum, you have done an amazing job with her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Another link on E collars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 K9: Well done Chelseas mum, you have done an amazing job with her... Under instruction from the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 CM: Under instruction from the best K9: Oh come on... you have done the work not me.... Your a natural, both tools I have talked to you about using you have picked up in a millisecond, dog training world is calling out for people like you... Specially in WA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna H Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 Now what can I possibly say to that??? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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