Guest Pixel Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 We recently finished K9 Kindy and she learnt "sit" and "drop" I have been told that Staffy's are head strong and need a lot off obedience. The thing is, we can't afford the $130+ for the training they offered after K9 Kindy. Is there any difference between training professionally and doing it yourself? Cheap books or websites to show you how? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Check out the CCCQ website as they have a list of affiliated obedience clubs that cost about $3 -$5 a class and about $20 a year to be a member Which part of Brissie are you in i might be able to give you a list of other reasonable priced clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) Pixel is the $139 for a few sessions or for a whole year? Most community based dog training clubs charge a reasonable annual fee. It is definitely possible to train a dog yourself but I would suggest easier to go to class. I don't know about you but I learn better if I can see what I'm aiming for and get a critique along the way. In addition both you and your dog get to make new friends. Temperament among Staffy's does vary but they can be quite determined characters. That said, there's plenty of staffy's doing well at our club and one is an Obedience Champion. Edited June 2, 2005 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Pixel is the $139 for a few sessions or for a whole year? Most community based dog training clubs charge a reasonable annual fee. For a 6 week course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Which part of Brissie are you in i might be able to give you a list of other reasonable priced clubs? We went to Fairfield RSPCA for K9 Kindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) Shite $139 is a bit rich for 6 weeks I'd go with Kitkat's suggestion - or post here looking for a good club near you. Lots of Brisbanites here. Edited June 2, 2005 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 I am not a trainer - but I do have a Staffy. I can't speak for the entire breed - but mine is VERY stubborn. The most important thing I do with my staff is follow NILIF. He's not the perfect dog, but his behaviour has become so much better after we started with this programme. Is a group class better than teaching at home? In a group class, you have the chance to proof your commands in the presence of other dogs. That's the main reason that I take my dog to obedience school. But even if you take your dog to group classes, you'll still have to do a lot of work teaching your dog at home or in private lessons. Hope that helped some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Shite $139 is a bit rich for 6 weeks We paid $110 for the 6 weeks of K9 Kindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Yikes Pixel... get thee to a community based dog club. Then you can be subjected to the likes of instructors like me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 I am not a trainer - but I do have a Staffy. I can't speak for the entire breed - but mine is VERY stubborn. The most important thing I do with my staff is follow NILIF. He's not the perfect dog, but his behaviour has become so much better after we started with this programme. We don't reallty do much at home in the way of training. I took her for runs with me and got her to do basic commands on the side of the road and when there were cars as a distraction. I don't want a dog to do tricks, but I don't want her to get hit by a car when she takes off and when you call she just puts her head down and keeps going (happened last week ) What is NILIF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Google "nothing in life is free". It's basically about reinforcing your position in the pack structure without using force, by making the dog work for what it wants. So if your dog wants its dinner, make her sit and wait politely first. If she wants to get up on the sofa, ask her lie down first. It's a good way of incorporating obedience practice into your everyday life. I don't know if NILIF would help you, but it worked really well for my staff's general obedience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) AWESOME PAWSOME FLYBALL CLUBRosie Milton Mt. Gravatt Showgrounds Mobile: 0409 592002 Email:[email protected] BILL'S LANCELOT DOG OBEDIENCE 26 Lincoln Green Drv Browns Plains, 4118 Australia Ph:07- 3800 1165 BONNIE'S DOG OBEDIENCE & CARE CENTRE 34 Romea St The Gap, 4061 Australia Ph:07- 3300 2959 LOGAN ALL BREEDS DOG OBEDIENCE CLUB Inc - Obedience, Agility, Puppy Preschool Gould Adams Park Kingston Qld 4114 Ph: (07) 3290 2718 METROPOLITAN DOG OBEDIENCE CLUB Ellison Rd Chermside, 4032 Australia Ph: 0412 899 086 SOUTHSIDE DOG OBEDIENCE CLUB - Agility, Obedience Nathan Rd Runcorn, 4113 Australia Mobile: 0405 325 766 Email:[email protected] www.geocities.com/southsidedogs/ southsidedogobedience.html TAKE THE LEAD DOG TRAINING Jenni or Anna PO Box 8015 Sunnybank Qld 4109 Ph: 0422 979 401 or 0431 921 254 Fax: 07 3349 3833 Email:[email protected] There are just a few training places that i picked out from another site...there is also a place called Scallywags down at Browns Plains which is very good and reasonably priced...i'll try and find a link. ETA - VIP pet foods down Yatala way is also suppsoed to be very good...i don't have their website on hand at the moment either but a quick google search would bring it up...they are a bit more expensive then average but i don't think they are as expensive as the RSPCA training you mentioned. Edited June 2, 2005 by KitKat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 So if your dog wants its dinner, make her sit and wait politely first. If she wants to get up on the sofa, ask her lie down first. It's a good way of incorporating obedience practice into your everyday life. Thanks I will look it up As for the above, She sits and stay's until we say it is okay to eat. Of course she has no iea what 'stay' means when you actually say it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 I knew I had an article somewhere! Here it is... http://k9deb.com/nilif.htm Good luck with your girl. She's very pretty, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 You can quite easily incorporate training into your walks. I practice recalls when the dog is distracted by a smell or person or dog, same with coming into heel position. I get them to sit politely (at the moment practicing stand a lot though) when someone walks past. I practice getting them to sit or drop when they are not paying attention (walking ahead or sniffing). That way you practice the dog obeying even when you don't have their full attention, which would be the case in an emergency. I enjoy trick training though - especially with Zoe as she so loves it! It is so much fun to show a group of kids that she can spin, weave through my legs, bow, beg, play dead, roll over and stand on her hind legs. They then often want to give it a try, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't Often she looks at me instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 It is all about the treats Got some pure liver from the pet shop this morning and cut it up into small bits. 30 mins later she is sitting and dropping on hand signals only (didn't even drop on command this morning) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 Wow, this dog is so head strong and stubborn. I have: sit = hand pushing up. drop = hand pushing down stay = pushing forward come = hand my side, palm facing back I can give her a command and she will just stare at me. So what do I do? I sit there for 5 mins with my hand giving the same command and me occasionally calling her name to get her attention......and....eventually she will follow the command She picked the wrong human to play stand off with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 (edited) Well, at my house you do the command first time or you don't get the treat! Don't get me wrong, I have heaps of patience for my dog if he's learning a new trick. But if he's just pushing his boundaries and refusing to obey a known command, then he has to learn that he won't get rewarded for that. If it was me, I'd give her 2 seconds to comply - if she doesn't, then let her watch you eat the treat yourself and make her wait 10 minutes for another chance to earn a treat. If she wants the treats enough, I promise she'll work the rules out really quickly. Edited to add - but you might want to use cheese or something, not raw liver. Edited June 4, 2005 by Amhailte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tess32 Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 Also remember it will still take a while for him to really "know" STAY. He may be able to stay for 10 seconds but not 10 seconds when a dog goes past or another distraction occurs. You have to train for distractions and distance *and* duration. Also just like us, sometimes they really do just forget. We often assume they "know" a command when they really don't and they sometimes will guess what you want or were following your body language. Good luck - just don't rush him and assume he's being stubborn in case he doesn't truly know the command. Nat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pixel Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 They stay command is new and I am moving slowly with that. Such as "Stay" take two steps back, pause, say good dog. It is the sit commands that I KNOW she knows...she just doesn't want too :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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