Deeds Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 Not much gets trained around here let alone specialist training. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Kisses Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 It won’t stop a dog determined to attack, but for everything else you’d be surprised at how often a big handful of treats thrown at a dog can stop them in their tracks, giving you time to make a getaway while they sniff them out. I once stopped a reactive dog who had escaped from the circus by throwing liver treats of all things. As a bonus, you don’t risk aggravating the situation or scaring your own dog in the process. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneye Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I think the operative word here is CONTROL , you need to be in control of your dog at all times wether its in the street on a dog beach , dog park wher ever it does'nt matter if your dog is not under control DO NOT UNLEASH , Personaly i've said on here a dozen times i spend half my days on a dog beach fishing its easy i live over looking it , so i go at least 3-4 times a week , over the years like many i've owned a few dogs . and they have all come down with me to the beach , its a case of know your dog , unfortunatly a lot just don't care , , i had a BIG BIG shepard , he was the most gentle dog i've ever owned , lousy watchdog , freindly has , but when i took him to the beach he was always on leash , he was too freindly he would spot another dog and zoom he's gone wants to play , spot a person and zoom even quicker wanting to lick then and get a pat , my worry was NEVER him hurting anything or anyone but scaring them when he came charging up the beach at them , once he started his run there was no coming back when called , because of that i'd be fishing anyone else came on he was put on lead , till they had walked past patted him and shown they were not scared , On the other hand i had a big rotty who to be honest i did'nt ever put on a lead , i had total control over him , but that dog would lie next to me , and not budge , if i walked 10 feet to cast my rod he walked 10 feet with me would not leave my side , i did have the occasional argument over the years with other people , who's dogs were not under control , and usually about the rotty , because although he would be next to me other dogs not under control charge him at there peril , there were a couple off occasions when dogs had come charging at him and although he was'nt dog reactive he would play with other dogs , show him aggresion and he would return the favor , like i said there were a couple off occasions where dogs off leash has they were allowed , were not under control and charged him , end result being myself telling there owners to get there dog under control , he just would'nt put up with rude dogs , and too be honest i made no apolagies for him , because the owners should do what i done with my shepard and thats leash him if others were around ,, then again i also had a heeler , smack in the middle , he would just run and run up and down that beach , usually trying to round other dogs up , i got too know a lot of the dogs and owners who came down regular and they loved to watch him play with there dogs , especielly when he used to try round them up , once again thogh very freindly gentle dog , what i did notice over the years was people only became accountable and try to control there dogs when its going to end badly for them , my rotty i found when people seen a 60 kilo rotty with a black mean looking face off leash theye tended to leash there dog , and give a wide berth , with the heeler he's been charged a few times , but he was always to quick and nimble and would turn it into a game never the less i have had to say to people leash your dog mate if he's dog reactive get him under control , because all mine except for the shepard ONE CALL and there back by my side , sitting down waiting for me to allow them to carry on , Sam the shepard was my most gentle dog i've ever owned , but unfortunatly outside only , the only one i could'nt control , luck though 17-18 years everyone knew him , and when he was off leash they would send him back to me , other wise he would off gone home with them LOL Its really all about MANNERS ,,, PS i will say though don't want to tell breeders and experienced owners how to suck eggs , but one thing i noticed over 40 years off going to this dog beach is when one comes running , the little old lady / or man who grabs and picks up there fur baby while screaming makes it 10 times worse , let your dog go , let it cower and show defeat , or simply run away , because i've seen lots go into full attack mode when owners are swinging little pugsy in the air by its lead and fido is getting more worked up and attacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazm Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, coneye said: , let your dog go , let it cower and show defeat , or simply run away , Coneye, I don’t want to sound nasty but tell this to my dog. She’s a mini schnauzer and a few years back she got attacked by a ridgeback on the loose. My girl was on lead. She is extremely lucky to still be here. If I’d simply dropped her lead and let her simply run away or cower it would have been game over for her. Your advice I wouldn’t recommend to anyone. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneye Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) I can also tell you about a couple of times dogs were not let go , one funny enough also attacked by a ridgeback , the gent pulled his dog away and up ridgeback trying to get at it got more and more incensed , gent started swinging his dog up and away , virtually hanging it , poor bugger was screaming both him and his dog , ridgeback latched on and a tug of war started , little dog badly hurt , i don't know if it survived . Another time around 10-12 years ago , a big rottweiler got away from its stupid owner she did have it on the lead but brought a dog reactive monster to the beach which when it seen an old ladys maltese cross , it went to sniff , old lady would'nt let go of the lead stirred the rotty up more by pulling her dog and shouting it just pulled its owner and she let go , rotty latched on to the small dog up till then it was agressive but not kill mode , the swinging the little dog once again riled it up like i said it latched on started shaking , i'm a big fella and it took all my strenght to drag the rotty in the sea while its latched onto the small dog and force its head under water so it would let go it killed the little dog , owner of rotty left it and run while the commotion was going on , Both times i could'nt help but think if they had just let there dog have a sniff and cower under supervision off course things would off been different both them times and other times i've seen where its definetly been screaming pannicking owners riling the attacking dog up more , course its going to vary from situation to situation Theres more experienced dog owners tan me on here , ( breeders , ect ) like to hear there thoughts , on let them sniff or scream panic and pull your dog away , course if its a full on attack you have no choice . Edited March 18 by coneye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On the subject of letting the dog go.... Years back I was walking my Labs on lead and a neighbour's Shitzu X jumped the fence and attacked. I let go so as to avoid getting tangled in leashes. The bloody neighbour called Animal Control ON ME!!!! Others backed me up and I didn't get fined. But Animal Control did say it's illegal to let go, EVEN if attacked. How's that for ridiculous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 The issue @coneye, is that there are too many people who think that they have their dogs "under control", but in all honesty, they don't. It only takes one incident we haven't factored into the equation and it could be game over for that dog, another dog, or even a human. Quite frankly, the most dangerous places to take a dog nowadays are designated off leash areas, as those frequenting them seem to think that it's a free for all playfest, and their dog that is snarking all the others is "just wanting to play". Most pet owners are completely clueless about their pet's body language, and all of the laws we should be following when we want to go out in public with them. Easier to just go for a nice leashed walk with your dog somewhere else and avoid that particular nightmare methinks. As our society moves towards higher densities of humans and animals we will face ever increasing issues. Gone are the days when kids and dogs used to free roam together and only come home when mum called that dinner was on the table... sad, but also our new reality. T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneye Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 24 minutes ago, tdierikx said: The issue @coneye, is that there are too many people who think that they have their dogs "under control", but in all honesty, they don't. It only takes one incident we haven't factored into the equation and it could be game over for that dog, another dog, or even a human. Quite frankly, the most dangerous places to take a dog nowadays are designated off leash areas, as those frequenting them seem to think that it's a free for all playfest, and their dog that is snarking all the others is "just wanting to play". Most pet owners are completely clueless about their pet's body language, and all of the laws we should be following when we want to go out in public with them. Easier to just go for a nice leashed walk with your dog somewhere else and avoid that particular nightmare methinks. As our society moves towards higher densities of humans and animals we will face ever increasing issues. Gone are the days when kids and dogs used to free roam together and only come home when mum called that dinner was on the table... sad, but also our new reality. T. Unfortunatly your correct , i see it EVERYDAY , my little fella has not been to the beach with me once this summer , i look out the window see people there with there dogs and leave him home , come winter when theres less people i'll start letting him come again , he's only small runs around the house so gets his excercise , but the dog beach is out of bounds for him till winter when its usually empty , your also correct about people not having control over there dogs , i see it all the time a total lack of recall , probably the most important thing needed , like i said my previous shepard had NO RECALL , his idea of coming back to me would to run back full belt only to run past me to get a pat of the other person he sen a mile away , and thats why for 17-18 years unless the beach was empty he was ALWAYS on leash , Funny enough though whn i brought another dog in his recall became better , but i've got to admit it was always the second dog he was following not my command LOL ,, he was like the bunny energiser , kept on keeping on outlived two other dogs , 17-18 years of just looking at me like i was stupid and doing what he wanted ,LOL , fortunatly that was only outside , inside perfect dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazm Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Coneye, my girl didn’t even get the chance for a sniff or cower, the first she knew of the dog was when she was being shaken in its jaws. That dog had one intention and that was to maul her. Yes, I was yelling at the dog but I certainly wasn’t swinging my girl around on the lead. I actually laid on top of her to save her. It was only with the intervention of another person that we managed to get away. You can have the best trained dog in the world but as far as I’m concerned a dog is an animal and it can snap at any time. I’ll agree with tdierikx, best to go for a nice quiet walk with dog on leash and avoid off leash areas even though I admit that’s what I was doing the morning my girl was attacked. Just need eyes everywhere to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeds Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 @Kazm So many idiots with dogs around . There has been so much media coverage re aggressive dogs off leash and not properly controlled you would think some of it would sink in out there.. The problem is people like the ones with dogs off leash just don't care about anyone except themselves. Sorry to hear about your incident it sounds terrifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneye Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Kazm said: Coneye, my girl didn’t even get the chance for a sniff or cower, the first she knew of the dog was when she was being shaken in its jaws. That dog had one intention and that was to maul her. Yes, I was yelling at the dog but I certainly wasn’t swinging my girl around on the lead. I actually laid on top of her to save her. It was only with the intervention of another person that we managed to get away. You can have the best trained dog in the world but as far as I’m concerned a dog is an animal and it can snap at any time. I’ll agree with tdierikx, best to go for a nice quiet walk with dog on leash and avoid off leash areas even though I admit that’s what I was doing the morning my girl was attacked. Just need eyes everywhere to be safe. Think in that situation you have NO CHOICE but to do what you feel neccesary at the time , i sometimes don't come across with what i mean , , but i have seen your sort of scenario a few times too many and would agree with any dog owner the first thoughts are save your pet ,, what i'm more on about is i've seen perhaps 20 ---30 --- 40 times more almost daily the scenario where , on a public dog beach people take there little dog and completly panic if another dog freindly or not comes up , grab there baby hold them high , or pull them back and actually wind up a freindly dog into aggresive mode because they are scared not there dog , i see it at least a couple times a week , and shake my head and think if you have a timid scared dog do what i do DON'T TAKE IT do not put yourself in that position , , i don't know how many times a week i see it , freindly but inquisitive dogs getting kicked , shouted at because people take there timid scared dog on a leash free area , i'm not talking about big reactive dogs attacking little dogs , but scared owners demanding other people leash there dogs because they are scared or there dogs are timid . Has much has it was my responsibility to leash my shepard and stop him running up to timid dogs , which i did because i knew he had this fault , i consider it my responsibilty not to take my dog timid present dog to unleashed areas and then complain about every dog that comes to sniff . I really do think if you don't want your dog to socilize take him for a walk on a leash round your block , do not take them to a dog beach or dog park , Course we are not talking about viscous dog reactive dogs thats another story , and like i said when i had a 60-65 kilo black faced mean looking rotty i never had that problem people just leashed there dog and walked around even though he was freindly the idiots are only bothered about consequences 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazm Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Coneye, I do get what you’re saying but because of my incident I am now that scared, nervous dog owner who will pick the dog up if I see anything come charging at us. Done it as recent as last week actually. I am that person who demands a dog be on lead unless it’s in an off leash area. I do not go near these areas. We love holidaying and camping, remotely, and our girl always travels with us. This is where she gets free running and sniffing time. Loves it but at home she’s happy to walk beside me on leash which is what all good dogs ( and owners) should do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazm Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I agree Deeds, there are so many idiots that own dogs now. And with all the news articles on aggressive dogs you’d think some of it would sink in. And I do believe it’s those that walk the streets etc with their dogs off lead that do not care for anyone but themselves. Blatantly flaunting the law at the same time. Makes me very angry. Mollys attack was one of the worse things we’ve gone through. It was absolutely terrifying. And quite a few worrisome days and nights wondering if she was going to pull through. She came out of it mostly fine. Physically very well. She is just very picky with who she wants to meet now. And yes when out walking we’ve made a lot of new doggie friends that she loves and dogs of all shapes and sizes too but then there are others we see coming our way and she’ll actually plant her feet and refuse to move until they go past. This is her new trait since being attacked. Me, on the other hand have become very nervous and constantly watch everywhere. And if I see a new person/dog coming our way I usually cross the road if possible. And wait for Mollys reaction as well. Some would wonder why I still walk but Molly loves getting out and about and always reminds me that it’s time to go. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 42 minutes ago, Kazm said: I agree Deeds, there are so many idiots that own dogs now. And with all the news articles on aggressive dogs you’d think some of it would sink in. And I do believe it’s those that walk the streets etc with their dogs off lead that do not care for anyone but themselves. Blatantly flaunting the law at the same time. Makes me very angry. Mollys attack was one of the worse things we’ve gone through. It was absolutely terrifying. The traumatic effects on the owners of attacked dogs seems to be vastly underrated or uncared about. My own dogs are big, but watching two German Shepherds, running loose in my suburb, trying to get ‘get’ my on-lead six month old pup left me with lots of trauma - if I hadn’t had an older dog with me that fought back hard they would have had her, for the attacking dogs paid no attention to me trying to stop them. It was just the scariest of several attacks in suburban streets over the years, twice we even had passing motorists rescue us, as the owners of attacking dogs were so useless. These days I doubt I would stay on my feet in the face of that assault, so we don’t walk locally anymore, I drive to walk which is crazy. We ‘should’ be safe walking on a suburban street. But nope, entitled p***ks let their dogs off lead everywhere. Just keep your dogs on lead in on lead areas, it’s not much to expect. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 walks are supposed to be enjoyable. I have decided to no longer walk mine. Large backyard and daily out the fenced front yard with me there to supervise. I've rarely walked them anyway as I had access to the local slipping track for them to run. Warrior is too old for that now, Phoebe never cared and Rose is happy doing laps in my back yard. There are so many bogans and their dogs in my area nowadays, the thought of exposing my dogs to them makes me sick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeds Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 I live in the inner suburbs of Sydney. Terraces close together and small backyards etc. The idiots 3 doors up from me have now acquired a cattledog due to their daughter working on a property for 6 months and bringing the dog back with her. It's never on a leash and is allowed off leash on the footpath and the streets. We are between 2 parks so a lot of dogwalkers go from 1 park to the other using our street. On Sunday the cattledog attacked a leashed Greyhound walking past and then yesterday afternoon in the back lane I heard it going for another small dog. Of course the idiot owners know nothing about dogs and now have a cattledog presumably from working lines off leash in a built up urban area. It's already a vicious & menacing dog. And it's only a year old. It barks late at night with no restraint. The stupidity of these bogan F... Wits overwhelms me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazm Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Deeds, I’m thinking a call to your local council is needed. That dog is going to really do some damage by the sounds of it. I agree Diva that the effects of having your dog attacked on the owner are under rated. Unless you’ve been through it I think some just don’t understand. Sounds like you had an awful experience too. And it’s happening way too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeds Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 I've updated the security cameras out the front of the house. A bit more tweaking and they'll catch everything that moves on camera. Then I'll go to the Council. These people are weasels they will just lie unless I have proof. As well as the effects on the owner dog attacks also leave significant effects on your dog. Mine can't wait to return the favour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpette Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) Dee was attacked while on lead by 2 Jack Russells and a Lab cross all at once. I turned her around and around with her head facing me and her feet off the ground, while the owner stood in his front yard and did nothing. We where both getting so dizzy and I was about to fall down when some people walking by stopped to help. When we stopped spinning poor Dee threw up. It took 18 months of intensive work for her to trust me to be able to look out for her welfare on walks and around other dogs, and not to react first. I took longer to reduce my hypervigilance when other dogs approached and to remain calm. To this day, and two dogs later, I am still wary and constantly looking. This is why I prefer isolated walks, even though Apollo loves other dogs. Edited March 19 by grumpette 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazm Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Always good to have some evidence Deeds. Hopefully it all works out before someone gets hurt. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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