asal Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) No longer applies to just dogs and cats now it seems. Nearly fell over when I saw this for sale add..........( ooops "Adoption" add ) Name: Snow Breed: Gypsy Vanner Age: 9 years Height: 14h Adoption cost: 4200 AUD Adoption status: Available Description Eye catching Gypsie More woah-than-go attitude, 3 good paces and relaxed on trails, arena and obstacles. Genuine all rounder.Great to C/S/F, good feet, sound horse with clean legs.Snow is what every Horse Lovers Dreams are made of Snow is a Once in a Lifetime Partner! He is ready to meet you at the gate, saddles and bridles quietly. Walk over to the fence or block, climb up, turn around and Snow has already sidepassed up to as if to say, "Slide on, Lets go for a ride! Snow is broke to drive and was an essential part of a carriage business. He drives single or in a team. He’s done weddings, wagon rides in town, and private events! Snow has been used to teach lessons, and has even been started jumping! Snow has been nothing short of wonderful for every task we have asked of him. Whether he’s Driving, riding English or Western. He has exceptionally smooth gaits. Edited April 25, 2023 by asal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogsAndTheMob Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 My first thought on reading the ad was “scam” because of the AUD, which I’ve seen in scam ads for puppies. But I can’t see anything else that obviously indicates a scam… except that scammers often seem to advertise glamorous breeds like highland cattle, baby doll sheep and maybe gypsy vanner horses. Also, is “gypsy vanner” a name that’s used in Australia - or would it be advertised as a gypsy cob here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, DogsAndTheMob said: My first thought on reading the ad was “scam” because of the AUD, which I’ve seen in scam ads for puppies. But I can’t see anything else that obviously indicates a scam… except that scammers often seem to advertise glamorous breeds like highland cattle, baby doll sheep and maybe gypsy vanner horses. Also, is “gypsy vanner” a name that’s used in Australia - or would it be advertised as a gypsy cob here? I accidently deleted the page where I saw it and copied if from, now cant remember where it was advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) Adopt dont shop is redundant now anyway (in relation to pets) as nobody shops anymore, only ‘adopts’. I have heard quite a few of my own clients speak the words directly at me when telling me they have a new puppy ….. ‘that we adopted’ …..not from a shelter but directly from the breeder ! Personally I rather like the line ‘breeders don’t fill shelters, buyers do’ The vast majority of the dogs in the shelters here in SA are thoughtlessly bred, even more thoughtlessly purchased, working & bull mixes that are barely suitable for anyone other than experienced and dedicated dog people! Edited April 25, 2023 by Podgus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogsAndTheMob Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 The wording seems to be an amalgam of excerpts taken from other ads, which is also suggestive of a scam. https://www.horsedeals.com.au/listings/sweet-natured-gelding-3fd9c9e7-003e-428f-9acd-014223618df9 “More woah-than-go attitude, 3 good paces and relaxed on trails, arena and obstacles. Genuine all rounder.Great to C/S/F, good feet, sound horse with clean legs. ” http://valleyviewranch.net/Gypsy-Creek-Oleander.htm "Ollie" is what every Horse Lovers Dreams are made of! Ollie is a Once in a Lifetime Partner! He is ready to meet you at the gate, saddles and bridles quietly. Walk over to the fence or block, climb up, turn around and Ollie has already sidepassed up to as if to say, "Slide on, Lets go for a ride!" Ollie has been in all types of country and trail rides the very best. Ollie was used by a cowboy to day work and was duded in the mountains of Colorado and in the desert of Arizona. Ollie was broke to drive and was an essential part of a carriage business. He drives single or in a team. He’s done weddings, wagon rides in town, and private events! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Podgus said: Adopt dont shop is redundant now anyway (in relation to pets) as nobody shops anymore, only ‘adopts’. I have heard quite a few of my own clients speak the words directly at me when telling me they have a new puppy ….. ‘that we adopted’ …..not from a shelter but directly from the breeder ! Yes, I've heard this too. Also "Oodle" bought from breeder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Quite frankly, if money changes hands when getting a pet - cat, dog, horse, rabbit, etc - you are buying (shopping) that animal. That applies to animals from breeders, pounds, or rescues. The word "adoption" traditionally means taking in a human child that was unable to be raised by it's birth parents for whatever reason. I am an adoptee, and have always felt that applying the word to animals is misleading and not quite "right". Applying the word to animals feels like a cheapening of what my parents did to bring me into their family and to raise and love me completely unconditionally regardless of my birth origins. The word "adoption" completely anthropomorphises the human/pet relationship, which is exactly what the animal rights agenda wants, and is trading on to further their goal of removing our ability to own animals. The more we relate to animals as surrogate humans, the more the animal rights extremists push to change legislation to change the status of our pets to surrogate humans, with all the rights that entails... and removal of "ownership" status is high on their list. T. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 8 hours ago, asal said: I accidently deleted the page where I saw it and copied if from, now cant remember where it was advertised. I had a search on FB @asal ---> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091380890365 and like heaps of dog "adoption" pages it appears to be a scam. If ya feel like some stirring perhaps it'd be fun to string them along 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Scam. Can be reported. Dollar amounts (proof of selling) are against FB rules. https://www.facebook.com/policies_center/commerce/animals That's why sellers ask to be called or messaged directly and can't use phrases like -'for sale'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 I wouldn't even respond to an advert that had such silly wording. No I'm not 'adopting' the horse, I am buying it! Unless they want to give me the horse as money exchanging hands in an 'adoption' just isn't right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mairead Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) This pony might have walked past a gypsy cob at some stage but also could have a draught further back, or a Welsh. Horse dealers have always had a well deserved shady reputation. Unfortunately with animals it is often kids pressuring their not- knowledgeable-enough parents to buy. On a lighter note, in the days when warmblood horses were first introduced here, I heard an eventing horse described (over the loudspeaker at the eventing world championships at Gawler, no less) as a Tasmanian warmblood. Probably a Clydesdale cross, I thought, and much less expensive than the imported variety. Love the Aussie sense of humour. Edited April 26, 2023 by Mairead 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 19 hours ago, DogsAndTheMob said: My first thought on reading the ad was “scam” because of the AUD, which I’ve seen in scam ads for puppies. But I can’t see anything else that obviously indicates a scam… except that scammers often seem to advertise glamorous breeds like highland cattle, baby doll sheep and maybe gypsy vanner horses. Also, is “gypsy vanner” a name that’s used in Australia - or would it be advertised as a gypsy cob here? Yes Vanner is used in Australia a friend has 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogsAndTheMob Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Dogsfevr said: Yes Vanner is used in Australia a friend has 3 That’s good to know, thank you. It’s not a term I’ve heard before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 16 hours ago, Loving my Oldies said: Yes, I've heard this too. Also "Oodle" bought from breeder. Well there are different registries these days. I have to be registered as a breeder with DACO because I have 1 entire male dog. So technically I can call myself a breeder. Anyone who breeds a dog is a breeder. the idea that the kennel clubs should be the exclusive breeders is kind of weird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 What's the fuss? My dogs are family. I adopt them, even when I buy them. They do NOT become fur babies! No argument, FB has some stupid rules about animal sales. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted April 28, 2023 Author Share Posted April 28, 2023 On 27/04/2023 at 4:02 AM, sandgrubber said: What's the fuss? My dogs are family. I adopt them, even when I buy them. They do NOT become fur babies! No argument, FB has some stupid rules about animal sales. no idea if it is true, but told PETA own shares in facebook and demanded the rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 The whole anti-ownership of pets is way wrong IMO, ownership of a thing = control of and responsibility for. I absolutely want undisputed control of and responsibility for any animal I keep. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannibalgoldfish Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 "Personally I rather like the line ‘breeders don’t fill shelters, buyers do’ I like that. Then add the byb element which is the majority of shelter dogs aren't from legit registered breeders and more from my mate with a "purebread X" that wants to breed with another "purebred X" (or cross with fancy oodly name) " or The kids need to see the wonder of life/my dog is so amazing he/she should breed, or just people dont desex their pets are let them roam. You "adopted" a dog/cat from a shelter? Oh you paid $200 to adopt? you did not adopt, you bought. Cue angry anti breeder rant. Rinse and repeat. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 https://www.facebook.com/reel/756482385800550?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=0NULKw 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 8 hours ago, cannibalgoldfish said: "Personally I rather like the line ‘breeders don’t fill shelters, buyers do’ I like that. Then add the byb element which is the majority of shelter dogs aren't from legit registered breeders and more from my mate with a "purebread X" that wants to breed with another "purebred X" (or cross with fancy oodly name) " or The kids need to see the wonder of life/my dog is so amazing he/she should breed, or just people dont desex their pets are let them roam. You "adopted" a dog/cat from a shelter? Oh you paid $200 to adopt? you did not adopt, you bought. Cue angry anti breeder rant. Rinse and repeat. It's more complicated. SWFs are rare in shelters. I doubt you'll ever find a puggle. Small terrier crosses are rare. Bull terrier crosses are everywhere. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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