Bad Shampoo Reaction

[Kazm]

As some of you know my son has a French bulldog, Rocko. Well, yesterday he was unwell. My son bathed him the night before and when they woke in the morning his skin was very red. He seemed ok but as the day warmed up Rocko became less his usual self. Warm to touch and his skin was quite yuck to touch as well. We are assuming he has had a bad reaction to the shampoo as nothing else had changed or happened. I told him to bathe him in cool water, which he did.  ( and go to the vet if he looked worse) He dabbed some malaseb on the worse spots before washing it off also. Today he is much brighter and his skin, although a bit pinkish still is looking better than yesterday. 
He used Dermcare Aloveen oatmeal shampoo and when I spoke to him this morning he said he’d been thinking back and yes during the bath Rocko had whined a little  and made a few kicking movements like something had irritated him. We thought this shampoo was a “decent” one . We know every dog is different though. Has anyone had any such reactions using shampoos? The other thing is there doesn’t appear to be any ingredients listed on the bottle so my son is wondering how he can know which shampoo to buy that Rocko won’t react to. He doesn’t want to use malaseb all the time. I’ll be interested in all comments. Thanks in advance.

[Dogsfevr]

Why are they using either product .
Both have different uses  .
Oatmeal is not for dogs with yeast issues & malaseeb is very drying so it depends what the actual problem is .

F10 do a great shampoo for yeast.
Dry ,flaky coats we use Sebitar from chemist warehouse which is fine for dogs BUT you need to know why that product should be used 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Dogsfevr

[Rascalmyshadow]

Does your sons dog have a skin condition?

[Diva]

8 hours ago, Kazm said:

He used Dermcare Aloveen oatmeal shampoo and when I spoke to him this morning he said he’d been thinking back and yes during the bath Rocko had whined a little  and made a few kicking movements like something had irritated him. 

Unless the dog already had irritated skin it would be unusual I think for such an immediate reaction in the bath. It would have to be a strong irritant to cause that on application.  The water wasn’t just too hot for the dog was it? Or he already had inflamed skin? Malaseb isn’t usually used unless there is already a problem. 
I use show dog shampoos I buy online, so not much help with a general recommendation. But I have seen Melanie Newman brand and Isle of Dogs in pet stores and they should be ok. Most of them should be though, just dilute before use  and make sure he rinses it off thoroughly. I dilute most shampoos at least 1:10, but the dogs haven’t got any skin issues.
(And even though everyone will say you need a specific dog shampoo for the correct pH, there are many beautifully coated show dogs with perfect skin that get bathed weekly in human shampoo and do just fine!)

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Diva

[Boronia]

15 hours ago, Kazm said:

As some of you know my son has a French bulldog, Rocko. Well, yesterday he was unwell. My son bathed him the night before and when they woke in the morning his skin was very red. He seemed ok but as the day warmed up Rocko became less his usual self. Warm to touch and his skin was quite yuck to touch as well. We are assuming he has had a bad reaction to the shampoo as nothing else had changed or happened. I told him to bathe him in cool water, which he did.  ( and go to the vet if he looked worse) He dabbed some malaseb on the worse spots before washing it off also. Today he is much brighter and his skin, although a bit pinkish still is looking better than yesterday. 
He used Dermcare Aloveen oatmeal shampoo and when I spoke to him this morning he said he’d been thinking back and yes during the bath Rocko had whined a little  and made a few kicking movements like something had irritated him. We thought this shampoo was a “decent” one . We know every dog is different though. Has anyone had any such reactions using shampoos? The other thing is there doesn’t appear to be any ingredients listed on the bottle so my son is wondering how he can know which shampoo to buy that Rocko won’t react to. He doesn’t want to use malaseb all the time. I’ll be interested in all comments. Thanks in advance.

some of the reviews are fairly old but interesting all the same  https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/dermcare-aloveen-oatmeal

 

and this data sheet   https://www.dechra.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Dermcare-ALOVEEN-Oatmeal-Shampoo-SDS-V7-Dec-2016.pdf

 

 

and an old Dogz topic

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Boronia

[Kazm]

Yes rascalmyshadow. His dog does have skin sensitivities but he’s been on top of it for a while now. He has a particular diet that works well for him and he really does everything to look after him. He has had a professional person go to his home and run through stuff with him. 
 

Dogsfevr, my son has the malaseb under recommendation from his vet and doesn’t use it much and as for the aloveen I guess he figured he was buying a decent shampoo. I haven’t actually asked why he bought it. 
 

Boronia, I actually found those reviews and data sheet yesterday myself. I sent a link to my son. Both of us weren’t very happy with what we read. He has thrown the shampoo away and between us we will find something he can use. Lots of research and review reading. 
If anyone has any suggestions of what could be a good brand we’d appreciate all thoughts.
 

[Boronia]

I use Fido's to get the dogs clean then use an special shampoo for Minnie's crook skin (which is getting so much better)

I had a quick look and this is a small amount if you decide to try it, though I don't know what the postage would be

https://www.jumbopets.com.au/Fido-s-Everyday-Shampoo.html?vid=347&msclkid=55363b6b253f19dcce055f6f620d0a90

Fido's also have  tea tree shampoo and  Aloe Vera  shampoo

 

[Papillon Kisses]

I know it’s an annoying thing to say, but I think they should discuss it with their vet and get a recommendation from them, given the severity of the reaction and the dog’s existing skin issues. If they suspect a contact allergy to an ingredient in Aloveen, your son will want to know what the allergen might be to avoid that in other products. Our vet sells Blackmores Paw Sensitive Skin products, but that doesn’t mean that they would be suitable depending on what’s going on with his skin.

[Kazm]

I agree PK and I’m sure my son will question the vet about it.  We are a bit peeved because the ingredients in aloveen are not listed and by searching all we can see is it contains aloe Vera and oatmeal. Obviously there is something else in it. Surely ??
I once bought goat soap ( human soap used for sensitive skin) I used it on Molly years ago when she was pregnant and got itchy. I wasn’t going to risk using any other new products on her. It helped her then and I’ve used it on and off over the years when I’ve run short of shampoo. It leaves her with a clean smell, and soft fur. I mentioned this to my son and I actually think he may try that. A cake of soap will last a while and if he finds that ok well so be it. Why spend $$$ on formulated dog shampoo when you’re not sure what triggers the reaction. 

[Boronia]

years ago I used to use Aristopet tea tree dog soap on Penny and Mac (my first Westies) it was so good but it seems to be unavailable now

[Rascalmyshadow]

It was possibly a reaction to the oatmeal,  I would only use Malaseb if there’s a flare up and in between have a look at using Animal House Pure Alternative shampoo, you can order it from Pet Network.

 

Edited March 6, 2023 by Rascalmyshadow

[Deeds]

@KazmI see Blackmores Paws Range for dogs have an Infected Skin Shampoo and Conditioner.  They also have a Sensitive Skin Shampoo and Conditioner.

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On 06/03/2023 at 9:05 PM, Rascalmyshadow said:

It was possibly a reaction to the oatmeal,  I would only use Malaseb if there’s a flare up and in between have a look at using Animal House Pure Alternative shampoo, you can order it from Pet Network.

 

 

I was also wondering if it was the oatmeal, being a grain that some dogs can't eat and can respond to poorly if used in shampoo. 

[Dogsfevr]

On 05/03/2023 at 5:10 PM, Kazm said:

 Why spend $$$ on formulated dog shampoo when you’re not sure what triggers the reaction. 

Its more a case of why buy a product for a dog with an issue without knowing if it will suit .
Everyone jumps on the oatmeal route & most sensitive shampoos have it in .
For yeast infection issues your just asking for trouble .Most poor reviews will be based on the fact wrong product for the wrong problem .
People use malaseeb without a second thought even though humans need to glove up to use it .

There are other products out there BUT we must understand the issue ourselves then look accordingly & like humans what works for one may be a nightmare for others 
 

[Deeds]

All of the Frenchies around here have a lot of skin problems.

[Kazm]

The dog does have skin issues but most of the time it is under control. My son had someone who is an expert on the breed go to his home over several weeks when Rocko was just a pup. This person helped with training, food issues and obviously skin issues and everything else to know about frenchies.  A change in his diet helped enormously and every now and then with the humid weather he has a flare up. The malaseb was recommended by his vet and my son only uses it as was instructed. 
As for buying the aloveen, well we can’t be expected to know everything. It’s his first dog and he is trying his best. Who knew he should have asked a vet about it first. We all make mistakes. I’m sure we’ve all bought products thinking we were doing the right thing only to regret it later.
Thankyou to most of you who have genuinely tried to be helpful 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Kazm

[Rascalmyshadow]

Your son hasn’t done anything wrong, Aloveen is a good shampoo and most dogs won’t react badly to it, sometimes it’s just trial and error.

[Deeds]

Absolutely we have all made mistakes and it is all trial and error.  Even with medication.  If my dog had a skin problem I would probably have tried the Aloveen because it is widely advertised as being for dogs with sensitive skin.  Even Vets can get it wrong and give the wrong treatment or medication.

 

What about trying the Calendula Rinse some of the Dolers have mentioned on here in the past. 

 

One woman in the park told me she had been to a Vet plus a Skin Specialist Vet for dogs, spent $3000 with no result.  She had a Blue Staffy.   She ended up getting the Cytopoint injection and the problem went away.

 

 

[Boronia]

Westie Rescue have had good results with Austrazole Topical Fungicide Wash for Dogs and Horses

I have used it on Minnie as a wash (obviously) after I have given her a bath (and yes, I just use Fido's shampoo) Minnie's skin has cleared up well though the dog's immune system also needs a kick-start so a raw diet (seems to be the go-to for skin-problem Westies) Apoquel for the short term (thank goodness fo Apoquel), Hydrozole ointment for a few days on the bad areas as well as Gold Cross Whitfield's Antifungal Ointment (Chemist Warehouse or ebay)

The Hydrozole is a pharmacy only product so you'd need to say it's for your husband's feet, don't mention it's for your dog

The Whitfields is really so good, cheap enough and covers a big area as it's greasy.

Calendula petal wash was is helpful but is really slow on results, I made up a wash by steeping some petals overnight, I also made a Calendula oil by putting petals in coconut oil and keeping it warm for a couple of days, I used an electric yoghurt maker. You can buy the petals here https://countrypark.com.au/product/calendula-petals/

Hope this helps

[Kazm]

Thanks everyone. I’ve passed on all the information to my son and he’ll work out what works for him. Rocko’s skin has since cleared up. Just a little pink and dry but he’s totally back to his happy self. That’s the main thing.