Dog attack, Headlines on the news.

[asal]

So now not even those doing the News , have a clue about body language?

 

Even in the next room I knew it was only asking to play?

 

Perhaps canine body language might need to be added to the education of people?   Although since PETA believe they "will be extinct within this generation" perhaps will not be necessary?

 

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The dog did not knock her down, she threw herself down ?

 

Never forget the day a new neighbour came to visit with her two daughters. my two chihuahuas ran to them wagging their tails.

 

To my amazement both began screaming just like that girl and grabbed their mothers clothes and tried to climb up their mother to get away from the "attacking dogs", 

Forgot.   Mum began screaming too.

 

The two Chi's took fright at all the screaming and ran and hid in the house.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by asal

[Amazetl]

Oh it frustrates me when children who are unfamiliar with dogs start waving their arms all around and squeal at the top of their lungs, only exciting the dog even more. Education is key and just constantly reminding them to be calm. Cross arms even and just stand still. 

 

That dog shouldn’t be out like that and they were taken by surprise but that is one of the worst reactions you can do. If you run or squeal it can escalate it. They are very fortunate that the dog wasn’t aggressive. That is a terrible headline of that silly news, just trying to sensationalise it and demonise dogs even more because they know it gets comments and click bait. 

 

Do schools still practice safety around dogs? When I was a child they’d bring dogs in, I believe maybe the RSPCA, and taught us how to behave. I grew up with dogs from babyhood so it was never unusual for me but a lot of kids today don’t have experience with dogs. Dogs aren’t even allowed near playgrounds anymore and many schools have banned them from coming close. Dogs and children are getting less exposure to each other, a very bad thing when they do then eventually cross paths. 

 

 

[asal]

some kids are unreal.

Friend had a birthday party and all the kids wanted to pat the ponies.

 

all quiet friendly ponies.  BUT one child was so desperate to pat them he was flinging his hands all over the place fast, reminded me of a human humming bird.

 

for obvious reasons the ponies wouldn't come near him and were afraid.

 

he was in tears.

so

the only solution was make him lie on the ground, hold his hands together and not move.

then and only then did the ponies come up and nuzzle him .

he was thrilled but had to keep reminding him to keep still.  finally he understood he had to be still or he was frightening them.  got him to hold his other arm at the elbow and hold it up and the ponies rubbed their faces on his hand.  

by then he had gained enough control of himself, I got him up and encouraged him to stay as still as possible and not flutter his hands. It took half an hour to teach that boy. he wasn't a baby he was 10 year old.

 

He was a lovely kid but soo easily over excited.

[sandgrubber]

Multiculturalism is hard sometimes.

Glad the dog wasn't immediately impounded and the kid only had a few scratches and trouble getting to sleep.

[Deeds]

The dog shouldn't have been on the street but it looked like it loved kids and wanted to play.  Another irresponsible dog owner though.

[Kazm]

I agree the dog should not have been out. And yes another irresponsible owner.  It certainly looked friendly but if you aren’t used to dogs or are scared of them ( my son was scared when he was little) I guess a young child would react like that. Hopefully in future that dog won’t be roaming but then there is always another on the loose somewhere. 

[Amazetl]

The news is really playing it now after the tragic other attack that has happened. They are referring to the dog with the little girl as being attacked and aggressive. Instead they could use it as an opportunity to educate what is actually going on. It is really sad though that the little girl was so terrified and is now reportedly having trouble sleeping. That dog shouldn’t have been loose like that. 

[Lhok]

Honestly, 

As a mother of a child who narrowly avoided being bitten in the face through no fault of his own ( he was two years old and in our front yard when the neighbour's dog was running around out the front of their place not a lead and charged him) I have all the sympathy in the world for the mother and her daughter. Yes, you shouldn't scream and run etc but if you have a phobia like my youngest son does who will scream, panic and run at the sight of a dog off a lead it can be incredibly hard to go against all your instincts to try to do what you have been told to do. The simple fact is that they shouldn't have had to deal with it as the dog should have been in a secure yard. I know accidents can happen but it makes it hard to believe it was an accident when there are irresponsible owners are out there.

--Lhok

[jemappelle]

In one of the many comments a poster has said that he was at the park when the dog was trying to play with his kids and knocking them over in excitement.  It had a lead on that he grabbed and it was then fine with his kids.

 

I feel a bit distressed for the poor girl, she shouldn't have been in that predicament.  

[Amazetl]

I totally agree that the mother and daughter shouldn’t have to deal with that. And I understand how traumatic having a huge dog come at you must be, especially if you don’t know dog body language or don’t know what the dog might do next. 

 

I think this thread is just addressing that the news is not being responsible here. They are saying it was aggressive. Also children should be educated on how to react when a dog does approach for their safety. And it’s been pointed out how hard that education can be as children’s natural instincts are to run and squeal and that can excite the dog and escalate the situation. 

 

I don’t know the solution and I think that’s why the go to is to keep dogs and children even more separated, ban dogs even more from being near children, which isn’t a great thing to do socialisation wise, but it’s safe, until that one dog with an irresponsible owner lets their dog roam and it does happen to be aggressive, dog never seen kids before or interacted with them, kids never interacted with dogs before equals recipe for disaster. 

 

So I don’t think anyone is discrediting the people involved, just the news interpretation of it. Dogs in no circumstances should be allowed to roam or rush out to people like that. It’s unacceptable even if it’s the sweetest most calm dog that does that. 

[BDJ]

Agree that the dog was friendly, but that is really irrelevant to the impact to the family.  If you are scared of something then being told to 'stay calm' during a random, unexpected and uncontrolled situation is not going to do much.   For anyone who thinks that the child should not have reacted that way, imagine if that was a spider or cockroach which suddenly landed on your face (for example).  99% of people would freak out and squeak/scream, jump, wave their arms around, possibly try to hit ot and/or run like heck.   That is how some people react to dogs.   

 

The real issue is the media.   Never let a bit of truth/fact get in the way of a headline 

[tdierikx]

I think we all agree that the dog in this instance was most likely trying to play with the child... but the fact remains that it was unleashed, unattended, and loose in a public space.

 

The owner of this dog has let it down badly... as there may well be consequences for the dog that aren't good after this incident.

 

The fact that it is a large bull breed type has only fueled media attention about this incident, and we all know that the media isn't usually the best source for factual information in cases like this... *sigh*

 

T.

[asal]

13 hours ago, tdierikx said:

I think we all agree that the dog in this instance was most likely trying to play with the child... but the fact remains that it was unleashed, unattended, and loose in a public space.

 

The owner of this dog has let it down badly... as there may well be consequences for the dog that aren't good after this incident.

 

The fact that it is a large bull breed type has only fueled media attention about this incident, and we all know that the media isn't usually the best source for factual information in cases like this... *sigh*

 

T.

 

to me it looked like a pointer/retriever type breed not a bull breed at all.  I based that on the length of its head, ears, (large and floppy) length of its legs and built for running body, then add the typical pointer particolout patching.

 

 

(click on the photo and it opens up without all the dark lines and can clearly see how light built it is) and TALL!

 

 

Be interesting to find out which it actually was. 

I well remember our schools did regularly have people come around with a dog and teach the class how to behave and not behave when confronted with a strange dog.  HIGHLY common when there were no laws whatever about dogs being confined to their owners yard.  I think the only one was you could shoot any dog that come onto your land and attacking your stock, just make sure it didn't get to cross your fence before it died otherwise then could be charged.   (in Bankstown in the 1950' many had 2 acres for veg garden, orchard and stock, my grandfather had draught horses, many of my friends had goats for their milk. most of the homes now under the Bankstown Square and its carpark were 2 1/2 acres, one of them was my grand parents, they all once had bomb shelters too. except the water table was so high they kept filling with water, so my grandfrather put his boat in it so the wood didnt shrink when he brought it home from the river after fishing ),

 

Bankstown Library was built on a swamp.

 

how times have changed

Edited November 10, 2022 by asal

[tdierikx]

You may be right about the pointer identification @asal... but pretty sure there aren't too many of those around suburban Sydney... so I'd say it's more likely that the dog is a pigging mix. It's also probably reasonably young, which also may be why it's a little leaner than most bull-breed mixes?

 

T.

[coneye]

My first thoughts were , pointer cross , nice looking dog

[coneye]

On 08/11/2022 at 10:35 AM, sandgrubber said:

Multiculturalism is hard sometimes.

Glad the dog wasn't immediately impounded and the kid only had a few scratches and trouble getting to sleep.

Curious , whats multiculturism  got to do with it ,   ,  I can see what parenting would have to do with it , example , i can remember   my sister was scared of dogs ,, she would hine behind my mam like that child did when big dogs came near her ,,, but i can assure you  if she carried on after at home  i'm scared  i can't sleep type thing ,,, MY mother would never ever of put up with it ,,   she would of been told in no uncertain terms ,  to pack it in , theres no dog in there stop attention seeking ,,  , would'nt suprise me if  the owner is  next going to get a letter of a lawyer  , supplied by legal aid of course , asking for damages

[Mairead]

How times and/or parents change. In the 1960s my young cousin was bitten on the lip by a neighbour's Smooth Fox Terrier. In those days dogs were few and roamed free but some were chained up at night. Kids roamed free too. When my cousin came in crying and complaining my mother said "it is your own fault, you know he's cranky. You should have left him alone."

Interestingly, when I mentioned that the "dog attack" had been filmed, a neighbour suggested that maybe that was to get compensation. Seems to be a delay in people coming to help?

[Deeds]

I'm sure it's headed down the legal path.  If they can find out who owns the dog.  

[asal]

23 hours ago, tdierikx said:

You may be right about the pointer identification @asal... but pretty sure there aren't too many of those around suburban Sydney... so I'd say it's more likely that the dog is a pigging mix. It's also probably reasonably young, which also may be why it's a little leaner than most bull-breed mixes?

 

T.

 

I have never seen a catalouah leopard hound, so amazed how many have been listed for sale by rspca?

[coneye]

5 hours ago, asal said:

 

I have never seen a catalouah leopard hound, so amazed how many have been listed for sale by rspca?

Never ceases t amaze me for animal people  how many times the rspca are a million miles of the mark with descriptions of dogs