raineye Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Hi I've done a search for this topic on this website and not found any thread. Does anyone know of reputable, ethical breeders for Cavalier king charles spaniels willing to export their dogs? I come from Singapore which is a country rather backwards in terms of dogs and where vast majority still buy from pet shops. The responsible/reputable breeder scene here is small to nonexistent. I have already contacted some breeders from online research but looking for more, especially since I think it will be hard to find one willing to export. My family has an existing dog (10yr old rescue) but she is mostly sticky to me, and now my mom wants a pet companion of her own (we all live together). I would of course be willing to provide more comprehensive background info when contacting a breeder. Online interviews and so on. Unfortunately at present we are unlikely to do an in-person visit before confirmation (which I understand is protocol for local buys) but picking up in person is not off the table. I know it won't be easy but hope a good breeder out there will be willing to consider us. I am also wondering about the presence of SM in the breed in Australia? I came across a thread that said it's more common in America/US and they haven't seen much in Australia. I was initially looking for breeders that had done the MRI screening for the parents but read that it's not so available in Australia and now am unsure if it's an issue in Aus? Appreciate any help. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Good luck with your search. AlI I can suggest is checking out the breeders list here https://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/breeders/cavalier-king-charles-spaniel.asp and also each states club. SM is in the breed here but not sure how much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Testing is very available in Australia . As to whom may sell it will be a case off just contacting everyone but given the breed is easily homed here exporting is generally not considered for pet homes plus on not where where Cavies stand on the snub nosed breed flying issue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineye Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 Thanks both! does it need to be a specialised neurologist who does the test? I read about MRIs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, raineye said: Thanks both! does it need to be a specialised neurologist who does the test? I read about MRIs Yes. I will send you a private message. I know one breeder who MRI"s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) Hi I had one of our diagnosed with SM/PSOM through a MRI a while back through a animal neuro in SA She's no longer with us.. passed away from something else Search SM on Dol, was a discussion not that long ago about it. i replied in it so wont go over it again in detail. Yes it exists here too and dogs can have it to different degrees/severities. I feel like im bit of an expert on the topic now. The Breeder (a registered one) did not have any previous issues with it certainly not with the parents. Sometimes it doesn't show up to they are few years old so not always viable scanning every dog! The Breeder did not breed again after learning about our Cavalier (She actually came to the place the MRI was done at) and was terribly upset after the diagnosis. Its not just the Cav breed that are predisposed to it. Humans can have it also, Chari formation. Ive owned many Cavs, only 1 has had it. It was controlled by medications (lots) once she was diagnosed. Many dogs with it are often mistaken with that they have behavioural issues. There is an op for it like with Humans who have it but its not successful long term with dogs. I currently have 3 Cavs of varying ages, so far so good. And i owned 2 before the one we had with SM. Only had one with a heart murmur but never got past a grade 1 and never needed any heart medication. Theres never any guarantee with any dog breed or us, with health. They don't generally have very long lives but i will always love the Cavalier Breed and take the risk for owning these beautiful gentle souls. Like with every breed keeping them healthy and at a good weight is crucial to their general health, joints and heart. Ours all except one have been from registered ethical breeders whom we have become friends with over the years (2 of who have since passed away).Our oldest one was rehomed to us years ago from a friend of a friend. I do know the Breeders we know prefer selling to mostly locals who they have met in person as part of their application process. I dont think any have sold to OS Hope you find one from a ethical breeder if you do go down that path. Sounds difficult though with what you have written. Goodluck! Edited August 19, 2022 by julesluvscavs 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asal Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, julesluvscavs said: Hi I had one of our diagnosed with SM/PSOM through a MRI a while back through a animal neuro in SA She's no longer with us.. passed away from something else Search SM on Dol, was a discussion not that long ago about it. i replied in it so wont go over it again in detail. Yes it exists here too and dogs can have it to different degrees/severities. I feel like im bit of an expert on the topic now. The Breeder (a registered one) did not have any previous issues with it certainly not with the parents. Sometimes it doesn't show up to they are few years old so not always viable scanning every dog! The Breeder did not breed again after learning about our Cavalier (She actually came to the place the MRI was done at) and was terribly upset after the diagnosis. Its not just the Cav breed that are predisposed to it. Humans can have it also, Chari formation. Ive owned many Cavs, only 1 has had it. It was controlled by medications (lots) once she was diagnosed. Many dogs with it are often mistaken with that they have behavioural issues. There is an op for it like with Humans who have it but its not successful long term with dogs. I currently have 3 Cavs of varying ages, so far so good. And i owned 2 before the one we had with SM. Only had one with a heart murmur but never got past a grade 1 and never needed any heart medication. Theres never any guarantee with any dog breed or us, with health. They don't generally have very long lives but i will always love the Cavalier Breed and take the risk for owning these beautiful gentle souls. Like with every breed keeping them healthy and at a good weight is crucial to their general health, joints and heart. Ours all except one have been from registered ethical breeders whom we have become friends with over the years (2 of who have since passed away).Our oldest one was rehomed to us years ago from a friend of a friend. I do know the Breeders we know prefer selling to mostly locals who they have met in person as part of their application process. I dont think any have sold to OS Hope you find one from a ethical breeder if you do go down that path. Sounds difficult though with what you have written. Goodluck! I used to breed cavaliers, utterly adorable but after getting a new boy "from tested parents" he threw 2 with sm a few years apart, the 1st of mild, the 2nd was terribly affected at only 16 weeks and had to be put down to end her suffering. That for me that was the end of my breeding them anymore. No one can cope with a Russian roulette like that. the blame that was heaped on me was incredible. as if anyone would deliberately breed that? but so many breeders openly say that to be an ethical, responsible breeder you guarantee your pups for life. The inference that seems to be taken , that if anything bad does show up it is the breeders fault, not bad luck, as my vet says considering the billions of cells that make up a rapidly developing baby of any species its a miracle so many get it right. knowing no matter how careful you can be selecting the parents, to discover this happen, then be be asked how could you be so cruel to breed this puppy to suffer, when it had passed all vets checks as a baby by the vet , who incidentally they did not ring him and ask how could he be so incompetent not to have recognised this in the pup? Yet feel perfectly free to tell the breeder your unethical and irresponsible for having one develop this is just soul destroying. Cant do more than return their money on the spot, cant cure it and the guilt and anger directed means many will never breed again. as you said "There's never any guarantee with any dog breed or us, with health." but that has been completely forgotten in the rush to prove how ethical and responsible a member is. As a friend said only this year, " I am beginning to think the first requisite of an ankc member these days is stupidity, I dont think we belong here anymore!" Edited August 19, 2022 by asal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesluvscavs Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) ASAL i understand that, I really do.. as a pet owner not a breeder though. I do feel your pain and frustrations. It is scary and nerve wreaking. Ive been blessed for the most part. And having one traumatic experience had initially put me off but i'm still owning them. Cant imagine having anything else now. I have a Cavalier fb group i have run for many years since my first Cav. And most have been healthy, well apart from heart issues (some) I am also in a fb group for people who own Cavs from our current breeder. So far so good. We also have regular meet ups and get tips etc from our Breeder on keeping them healthy in general So theres many who will never experience it either. Ive had other breeds of dogs in my younger years who all ended up getting Cancer and didn't get to very old ages With the Cav we had we did all we could to keep her comfortable. Its not all doom and gloom Edited August 19, 2022 by julesluvscavs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisys Mum Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 I fully understand... My Cavalier passed away from SM .... I threw everything at her to prolong her life , I spent $$ to make her comfortable but it wasn’t enough.. it broke me. I really thought I wanted another CKCS but my heart just wasn’t in it... as a buyer watching a loved pet struggling to survive I can’t imagine how a breeder must feel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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