Record number of pet dogs being surrendered

[Luvapoo]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/dogs-for-adoption-melbourne-record-number-of-pet-dogs-being-given-up-in-victoria/444e42dc-554a-430a-b6a7-5e50490feae6

 

We could all see this coming sadly.

There is a record number of puppies for sale on DOL as well. 

[sandgrubber]

Puppy prices are dropping as well (in NZ anyway).

[Loving my Oldies]

Those poor dogs.  I'd really like to bang some people's heads against a wall hard and for a long time.  Not a single thought of the dog and its needs, just their own selfish selves.  Oh, I am so unhappy and lonely being shut up at home while the pandemic is raging, I'll get a dog.      .

 

 

 

[~Anne~]

I’d like to see the real data. News.con isn’t known for accuracy.
 

I’m not sure why anyone bothers to read it - you might as well buy New Idea and Womens Day. 

[Loving my Oldies]

5 hours ago, ~Anne~ said:

I’d like to see the real data. News.con isn’t known for accuracy.
 

I’m not sure why anyone bothers to read it - you might as well buy New Idea and Womens Day. 

I have heard reports from elsewhere and rescues are being inundated 

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26 overdue dogs (med-lge) sitting in Blacktown Pound today. 

27 still doing their time waiting for reclaim. 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Powerlegs

[tdierikx]

17 hours ago, Loving my Oldies said:

I have heard reports from elsewhere and rescues are being inundated 

 

Recent NSW legislation changes regarding animals in pounds having to be offered to at least 2 rescues before any consideration of euthanasia is having a huge impact on rescues already stretched to the limit... large numbers of surrenders certainly aren't making this issue any better...

 

T.

[Luvapoo]

On 31/07/2022 at 2:50 PM, sandgrubber said:

Puppy prices are dropping as well (in NZ anyway).

I am often looking at puppy for sale ads and prices have definitely dropped a lot in Australia.

 

For example, the once popular breeds, such as the cross bred cavoodle, I have seen advertised for as low as $1,500 when they were up to $8,000 at the peak.

 

It is my guess that you could ring a lot of people advertising puppies and offer what you can afford and they may take it as they cannot sell pups.

 

It is a deterrent for people adopting when they can buy exactly what they want for a similar price.

 

[Amazetl]

This is so sad. A lot of selfish people who shouldn’t have gotten one in the first place. Don’t forget that some people are going through great financial difficulties as well - some of these may genuinely believe that their dogs would be in better care elsewhere or simply cannot afford to even feed them.

 

However with a recent change in my life financially wise (minor) someone who I was talking to suggested I sell my puppy! I told them very strongly that will not be happening. Besides in our case we have life time breeder support if for any reason we can’t keep our pups or dogs. I really don’t think anyone should get a puppy or be sold a puppy without that in place. 

 

But for that person it seemed so easy for them to think of not having to feed and vet bills etc. They themselves have their own treasured dogs but for some reason they thought since she’s still a pup it’s somehow ok. 

 

(By the way, we will be just fine and the dogs are all taken care of no matter what.)

 

A dog can be expensive to care for. A lot of dog breeds or the oodles require grooming too with a professional unless you know how to do it yourself. That could get costly. I don’t know if it’s those mixes that are ending up in the pound though. 

 

I have seen several people over the years become overwhelmed with their herding working dog breeds who they got from backyard breeders and rehome them or leave them. I have heard so many excuses and sometimes it’s genuine really, they can’t afford trainers or obedience classes. They got themselves into the mess thinking they’d somehow have this amazing behaved family dog that just isn’t - all take time caring and training. A lot of people aren’t cut out for it or just don’t care it seems. 

 

Think about the people who get themselves into these situations in the first place, they haven’t put the effort into researching the right breed in some cases or the right way about going to get that breed. So they are less likely to really care about the bigger picture of having a dog too. 

 

Some of these people have a dog they got in lockdown, a cute puppy, puppy classes were only offered online at the time and I bet not many took them. They didn’t get to see other kids and families and get out and about apart from perhaps a walk or a trip to the vet where you weren’t even allowed inside with the pup. You’re trying to work from home and the pup wants attention. Finally you go back to work outside the home and the pup is a teen and starts chewing everything, wrecking everything, sometimes big expensive things like the sofa even. They jump and nip and are extremely difficult to walk on leash. You don’t have time or the thought or the care or the money to go to obedience classes. You’re sick of it. So you abandon them. That’s the situation a lot of naive people have found themselves in. 

 

Anyway. It’s a really sad situation and if you look at trading post or gumtree there are so many puppy adds and the prices have really come down by thousands in some cases. It makes it easy for people to just grab one. Generally there isn’t a lot of breeder input in it, like knowing what the situation of the pups will be or that they’d take them back etc. Just whoever pays. 

 

And it concerns me at the number of some purebreds on dogz online that are available. More than ever before. Their prices have come down dramatically in some cases and I wonder if it’s still easy or becoming harder to find homes for them all. If it’s becoming harder and there are more than ever before being bred and available and the breeders don’t breed for money then why are they all breeding right now when we are in this situation? Genuinely curious of that. 

 

Where is this going to lead? Golden Retrievers when I used to look would have maybe 10 adds and sometimes none at all. During lockdown the prices went up to 7 or 8 thousand. Some that are listed with their prices are now more than half that. What is going on really and what is going to happen in future? 

 

Did all the breeders who refused to breed during lockdown decide to all breed now? That was responsible (thinking lack of socialisation and lockdown pups etc). But how do they feel now about breeding when there are so many adds more than ever before? And there is double that from backyard breeders, some are asking more than on here even but their prices have come down too. 

 

I’m not sure what to think of it all but it is very sad to think of doggies being unwanted by the people who were meant to care for them for life except in very genuine circumstances where they in theory should go back to the breeder. It’s really sad. 

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The breed I've been stalking  have not dropped price because there aren't many breeders. Sigh ... one day.   LOL 

 

The scammers during covid selling sought after breeds made a pretty penny selling on trust. People were desperate and moved on if ANKC breeders didn't have a puppy they wanted so up popped these imaginary litters.  

[Amazetl]

Yeah I believe people who didn’t have their dogs desexed decided they could make some dollars by breeding them. A bit sad. They are all deserving of homes and I’m sure some are lovely natured and even healthy but the risk is high that they aren’t meant to be bred plus they don’t offer all that breed clubs breeders can. 

[asal]

On 02/08/2022 at 7:06 AM, Luvapoo said:

I am often looking at puppy for sale ads and prices have definitely dropped a lot in Australia.

 

For example, the once popular breeds, such as the cross bred cavoodle, I have seen advertised for as low as $1,500 when they were up to $8,000 at the peak.

 

It is my guess that you could ring a lot of people advertising puppies and offer what you can afford and they may take it as they cannot sell pups.

 

It is a deterrent for people adopting when they can buy exactly what they want for a similar price.

 

 

Yes my sisters daughter paid 7,000 for an oodle, 18 months ago. friend just bought one for her mum 1,500.

 

but the dog world and breed and x bred fashion cycles have been in existence for decades.

 

its not new and repeats  

 

the fashion starts, people start breeding whats in and flood it. 

crash

fashion starts for another

 

seen it , being over 70, seen so many breeds bred to freak proportions and suddenly no one wants them

 

sadly fact.   

 

micromanaging only the ankc and other registers will never stem the flood

 

the invisible backyarders are not huge visible traceable "puppy farms"  as so often said,  they actually

are people with 1 or 2 but there are tens of thousands of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by asal

[Lhok]

What is going on is compounded, we have prices going up all over the place. Interest rate rises are compounding on the Covid puppy boom, many people also can't afford rents as the rents in some places are going up 200% and they probably also can't afford to move either. It is horrible but I have a feeling the worst is still yet to come.

--Lhok

[asal]

19 hours ago, asal said:

 

Yes my sisters daughter paid 7,000 for an oodle, 18 months ago. friend just bought one for her mum 1,500.

 

but the dog world and breed and x bred fashion cycles have been in existence for decades.

 

its not new and repeats  

 

the fashion starts, people start breeding whats in and flood it. 

crash

fashion starts for another

 

seen it , being over 70, seen so many breeds bred to freak proportions and suddenly no one wants them

 

sadly fact.   

 

micromanaging only the ankc and other registers will never stem the flood

 

the invisible backyarders are not huge visible traceable "puppy farms"  as so often said,  they actually

are people with 1 or 2 but there are tens of thousands of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well remember Ivor Slezacheck BvSc telling me one day, some 30 years ago," Mt Druitt has the largest vector of unvaccinated dogs in the Sydney basin.  When we get the strong winds, I'm seeing up to a dozen dogs a day with parvo"

 

From just one vet?  goodness knows what the numbers would be over all the affected area's vets impacted?

 

Nothing has changed.   

 

the august winds are just as effective today as they were then. 

 

I'd ring to get a litter vaccinated and my vet will tell me.

"Don't take them out of the car,  

I'll do them in the car, I've so many infected dogs in my surgery today."

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2022 by asal

[coneye]

Think the problem is two fold

 

1 ,,,, people who are  in there own home and get a dog  , don't relize how expensive dog food can be , its  actually quite epensive to feed a big dog

 

2.,,,, Landlords don't have to worry  if they can rent out a property ,   advertize and its gone  straight away , distinct shortage in rental properties ,  and no pets allowed make it even harder if you have a dog ..  Too be honest i can't blame them , over the years i had a few rental properties and learned years ago NEVER rent to people with pets ,, just an unfortunate fact , but most don't look after there animals or the house , when your a landlord and someone leaves , and you have to spend thousands fixing up damage , to lawns   carpets , and just painting dirty walls caused by pets you only  do it a couple of times before the NO PETS sign comes out .

 

Never really ceased to amaze me  , how many especielly young people would buy a dog and not give a thought to what would happen to that dog when they moved on

[sandgrubber]

Not so different frto the situation with avocados. High prices.  Established breeders breed a few more and newbies get drawn in.  Oversupply.  Prices crash.

 

But dogs are sentient.  

 

Before dumping on backyarders, though, remember that many established breeders began as backyarders.  And without new people coming into breeding,  the kennel clubs will go extinct.

[tdierikx]

The same large shelters who had adoption drives with offerings of cheaper prices to empty their shelters during covid lockdowns are now the ones seeing a lot of those same dogs coming back too... unfortunately this was always going to happen, as people who had time to spend on a pet while locked down now don't - back to work, kids back in school, etc... cost of living going up hasn't helped either.

 

As for pets in rentals and the rental home supply crisis, that issue has been going on for longer than just recently, and is not actually the major issue here IMHO. It certainly isn't helping the problem, but definitely isn't the main problem as the media will like you to think. Some states have enacted legislation (or are in the process of doing so) to address the issue, but the fact remains that a property owner still needs to have some rights over deciding who rents their property.

 

@coneye, your statement that pet owner renters are more likely to damage property is not exactly correct... it's more likely that people with young children will cause more damage than the average renter with a pet.

 

@sandgrubber, it's the backyarders breeding "designer" crossbreeds, "rare" colours of established breeds, or those breeding the latest "fashion trend" breeds to satisfy some insane demand for them, with no regard to the longterm health and stability of the animals they are supplying to the market, that are the crux of the problem. These breeders are often unregistered and not exactly easy to find and shut down by those tasked with policing animal welfare laws... and those seeking to change those animal welfare laws seem to have completely missed the point in that regard, only making things more difficult and onerous for those who actually are doing the right thing by their animals.

 

T.

[coneye]

On 17/08/2022 at 7:08 AM, tdierikx said:

 

@coneye, your statement that pet owner renters are more likely to damage property is not exactly correct... it's more likely that people with young children will cause more damage than the average renter with a pet.

 

 

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 Don't think you would say that  if you had  done has i done and rented a few properties out for 30 plus years , and then  spent has much money has i have replaceing chewed doors ,   dug up lawns ,  ,  chewed up architraves  soiled carpets , ,

[tdierikx]

9 hours ago, coneye said:

 Don't think you would say that  if you had  done has i done and rented a few properties out for 30 plus years , and then  spent has much money has i have replaceing chewed doors ,   dug up lawns ,  ,  chewed up architraves  soiled carpets , ,

 

Same... only the damage was from children, not pets... grrr!

 

T.

[coneye]

On 20/08/2022 at 5:42 PM, tdierikx said:

 

Same... only the damage was from children, not pets... grrr!

 

T.

Too be honest if i ever bought a rental property  again , WHICH I WON'T , i would ban dogs and kids , also young people ,  and unemployed  , it would be  a unit and someone  elderly   with a regular stream of income from a pension ,  Its a sad but true fact , a lot of landlords do not  always get there rent , they get shafted and have to spend there savings on whats quite often diliberate  damage