lillypilly Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Interesting read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I have just adopted two Pekingese sisters (foster failure ) and before their adoption they each had already had two surgeries: entropion and skin folds reduction to stop hairs rubbing their eyes. What is the solution for many horrors perpetrated against dogs and other animals when Crufts has a BIS German Shepherd whose back elbows are almost on the ground and who can hardly walk properly and another year a Pekingese who could hardly breathe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 So nice to see common sense prevail. As much as anyone can love & appreciate any purebred animal, the idea of purity is inherently flawed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvapoo Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 It is very interesting although I would suggest the pug, which often requires airway surgery, has far more issues due to being brachycephalic than the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ever does. I know it is desirable for the cavalier to have a shorter snout in the show ring although many purebred (not necessarily pedigree) CKCS pets I see actually have a longer snout. I bred pedigree cavaliers a few years ago, and I know then it was very difficult to get one that had a clear DNA profile from Orivet. If they weren't affected, they were a carrier of something. I thought being brachycephalic was the least of their problems. Little did I know apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 22 hours ago, Loving my Oldies said: I have just adopted two Pekingese sisters (foster failure ) and before their adoption they each had already had two surgeries: entropion and skin folds reduction to stop hairs rubbing their eyes. What is the solution for many horrors perpetrated against dogs and other animals when Crufts has a BIS German Shepherd whose back elbows are almost on the ground and who can hardly walk properly and another year a Pekingese who could hardly breathe? Yet my parents had 3 Pekes and the only surgery needed was when one stabbed his eye on a rose bush. But they did have a pug who they got as an older dog from a breeder who needed entropion surgery. Breeder should have attended to before rehoming. Some are sound, some are not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosmum Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Luvapoo said: It is very interesting although I would suggest the pug, which often requires airway surgery, has far more issues due to being brachycephalic than the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel ever does. I know it is desirable for the cavalier to have a shorter snout in the show ring although many purebred (not necessarily pedigree) CKCS pets I see actually have a longer snout. I bred pedigree cavaliers a few years ago, and I know then it was very difficult to get one that had a clear DNA profile from Orivet. If they weren't affected, they were a carrier of something. I thought being brachycephalic was the least of their problems. Little did I know apparently. Likely the 'other' problems are what put them on the same banned list and their Brachycephaly was more incidental.... so breeders would be more inclined to take note. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 It can certainly be just lucky, @Rebanne or it can be that certain breeders, against all odds, continue to do the right thing and their interest is purely breed enhancement. unfortunately, just about everything is market driven My girls, Bunches and Beatrice, were from a puppy mill. Their personalities are sheer delight. It never crossed my mind that I would be the clucky, lucky, giggling mum to two Pekingese 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Rebanne said: Yet my parents had 3 Pekes and the only surgery needed was when one stabbed his eye on a rose bush. But they did have a pug who they got as an older dog from a breeder who needed entropion surgery. Breeder should have attended to before rehoming. Some are sound, some are not. A friend took on 2 Pekes when their owner died. I called them the fluffy slippers. But they were the toughest, happiest little dudes around. Sound and long lived. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I think Pekes are great little dogs. Pity they have a coat that needs grooming. My Mum, in the end, just got them clipped, but I always thought it took away a bit of what made them Pekingese. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The Dirt Girls are clipped …. you just might guess from their nickname why. . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) On 3/2/2022 at 12:05 PM, Loving my Oldies said: What is the solution for many horrors perpetrated against dogs and other animals when Crufts has a BIS German Shepherd whose back elbows are almost on the ground and who can hardly walk properly and another year a Pekingese who could hardly breathe? When was the GSD @Loving my Oldies? edited- I think I have worked it out, and you either meant Westminster in the USA or the controversy over the GSD Best of Breed at Crufts in 2016. GSD have not gone BIS at Crufts for 50 years. Edited February 4, 2022 by Diva 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I just saw it being paraded, @Diva, and assumed it was Crufts. Heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhok Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The Cavalier King Charles Spaniels were included because apparently they couldn't find any healthy specimens within the country that weren't affected by some kind of heart defect. --Lhok 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) It’s been coming for a long time. I’m surprised this kind of action isn’t more widespread around the world. Interesting that they’ve only selected two breeds. Im not experienced with pekes and cavs, but as a life-long owner of pugs, and running a pug rescue, I can’t say I’ve ever seen a pug without some respiratory concerns out of the multitude I’ve had anything to do with. Eyes also, but not so prevalent as the breathing. Brachy or meso - all the same - the very fact it has a shortened respiratory system means it’s defective given the nature of the canine respiratory system, incl temperature control. Edited February 6, 2022 by ~Anne~ Error correction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkie Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 On 04/02/2022 at 7:59 PM, Lhok said: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniels were included because apparently they couldn't find any healthy specimens within the country that weren't affected by some kind of heart defect. --Lhok That's what I assumed. Gorgeous dog, but heart and structural brain issues... I assume you'd outcross to cocker or Dutch spaniels? I know there's the King Charles, but they are worse with the airway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Lots more breeds need to be included and breeders need to stop exaggerating the conformation of their chosen breeds to the nth degree. Even whippets have changed so much in 20 years, and not for the better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemappelle Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I read somewhere that it wasn't a blanket ban on breeding those breeds, but that health tested (and cleared) dogs could still be bred with. Hope that information was right, being a Cavalier owner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lillypilly Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Found this in my news feed this morning. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10475455/amp/Call-BAN-French-Bulldogs-Pugs-Australia.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I’m not sure I’d bother to read a Daily Mail article and take anything in it as factual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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