Blood works - some elevated results

[Deeds]

Can't he have cooked chicken or the RC Renal pouches?  My dog likes the Renal Pouches mixed with rice, veggies with shredded cooked chicken on top.

 

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The Specialist also approved the Renal Pouches.  Has medication been recommended for your boy?  Perhaps because he is older he might need medication.

 

I'm sure he could have just 10% of meat as his 10% of allowable daily protein.  That's what my dog has.

[giraffez]

17 hours ago, Deeds said:

Can't he have cooked chicken or the RC Renal pouches? 

Maybe I misunderstood this but protein makes their kidney work harder.  So to eliminate it would put less stress on it?  I guess I can still give him a little each week so that it isn’t that bland

[Deeds]

The Specialist told me he can have 10% of protein in his diet,  Maybe you should have one appt with Dr Bing at SASH so she can clarify everything for you.  You could get her to do his bloods and blood pressure. 

 

You don't need a referral and after the 1st appt you can go back to your own vet to do the blood etc & they can send the results to Dr Bing.  That's what we do.

 

She is very nice & very good. Maybe just 1 session with her might be useful.  https://www.sashvets.com/our-team/dr-bing-yun-zhu/

 

White meat like chicken is better for them. My dog gets chicken every other night.  He gets red meat once or twice a week and sardines (salt reduced) once or twice a week.

 

My dog can have protein but it can only comprise 10% of his diet.

 

As I said rice/pasta .veggies & cooked chicken.  I would be worried about muscle wastage if you cut out protein altogether.

 

I have been doing this diet with my dog for 5 years now and the blood levels etc haven't changed much.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[persephone]

1 hour ago, giraffez said:

 So to eliminate it would put less stress on it?

TALK TO YOUR VET  about this. you cannot totally eliminate protein ...and there are different proteins. Get your vet, or a specialist vet to explain this to you - write it down, maybe ? Then you can work out the correct diet It is hard to think of him as 'older' - I remember when he was a pup!  

[giraffez]

Yeah we are getting another blood test after the new year.  These couple of weeks would give it time to see whether the renal RC diet has any effect.

 

i will check out he the wet food as well.  My vet did say the wet food was fine too but I thought the bulk of it was just water so I resorted to the kibble instead.   10% protein isn’t very much.  It’s like less than a quarter cup…. Almost a bit bigger than a bite size considering the kibbles also has protein.  
 

thanks for the sash contact, I see how the vet consult goes and make an appointment

[Deeds]

I would get SASH to do the bloods & everything.  Because if you go there they will want to do their own tests anyway.  

 

You don't want to pay for the same thing twice.

 

Your dog is 12 and may have the condition for some time before it was picked up.  It is a progressive disease.

 

Your dog's circumstances vary greatly from mine. Because of the age and the later diagnosis.

 

I don't give my dog the canned renal food.  

 

  

[giraffez]

50 minutes ago, Deeds said:

I would get SASH to do the bloods & everything.  Because if you go there they will want to do their own tests anyway.  

 

You don't want to pay for the same thing twice.

 

Your dog is 12 and may have the condition for some time before it was picked up.  It is a progressive disease.

 

Your dog's circumstances vary greatly from mine. Because of the age and the later diagnosis.

 

I don't give my dog the canned renal food.  

 

  

Yeah that did cross my mind too.

 

but one thing I’m sure about is his diagnosis is quite recent.  He had a blood test mid year and levels were fine.  Also had one beginning of the year and that came back fine too

 

thanks for that

[giraffez]

Just an update, my darling boy did a blood test today and everything is back in range  again so the diet is working.  It's almost on the low end like nothing happened.

 

However, we also did a UPC, and that indicated he was stage 1 kidney disease.  I don't really quite get how the blood works can be great yet the urine is saying his kidneys are failing.  I can't quite comprehend.  If the blood works was like this the first time round, we would have never known his kidneys were in trouble.  

[Deeds]

Did they take his blood pressure?

[giraffez]

4 hours ago, Deeds said:

 

Did they take his blood pressure?

 

Yeah was a bit high the first few takes but eventually trended down and went back down to somewhat acceptable range when he got used to machine.  He is always quite stress at the vet so high readings are likely just that.  Vet was happy with the reading and said to just monitor in 6 months.

 

Just wondering whether the UPC urine tests are reliable or do they need to be done several times  to be conclusive? They asked me to repeat this in one months time but thinking about it more I’m  not sure it will make a difference if nothing else has changed (eg meds, diet as he is already on a renal diet).  He has had several USG (different type of urine test) done earlier a few days / weeks apart and they were consistently borderline high so there is definitely signs of kidney issues.

 

[persephone]

That's a good update

[Deeds]

Chicken, turkey & duck are lower in phosphorus .  My dog has veggies, rice & cooked chicken for dinner with some renal pouches .  Beef is higher in phosphorus.

 

Has the vet said whether your dog has acute or chronic kidney disease. 

 

[Tassie]

Sounds encouraging.

 

Did the vet include an SDMA test  when they did the bloods?   Per my vet, this is a much more sensitive test than the usual BUN/creatinine that are done in the basic CBC panel.   

[giraffez]

6 hours ago, Deeds said:

Has the vet said whether your dog has acute or chronic kidney disease. 

Just onset.  Stage 1 according to the upc results yesterday.  Looks like the diet is working according to the bloods.  

 

2 hours ago, Tassie said:

 

Did the vet include an SDMA test  when they did the bloods?

I did ask about this but he said in his experience the reliability is a bit hit or miss so he usually doesn’t recommend it.

 

i just don’t get how the blood test and urine test are telling two different stories.

[Deeds]

My vet always does the SDMA as part of the check up.