westiemum Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Hi All, Last August I posted about my elderly neighbours who can offer a black female toy poodle puppy a great home. In the end I persuaded them to wait as prices were just sky high and I thought, as pensioners, patience may pay off. For the first time in ages I had a peek at the DOL puppy listings this morning and there were A LOT of litters listed. And while many litters are still very expensive, I think I detected a lot more puppies available and a little more realistic prices and a few litters appeared to be at pre-pandemic level prices. I also noticed that some ads had been there for quite sometime. Am I right? Is the puppy market heading to over-supply and lower prices? Or am I being overly optimistic? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pucapo Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) While there are definitely more listings, note they are mostly male, or people advertising matings. It is hard to get a toy poodle female. While am not promoting Gumtree, it is a good indication of current price 'trends', since the prices are actually listed. Edited July 10, 2021 by Pucapo Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneye Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Prices are scanadlous freind of mine this week paid $7000 yes you read it correct $7000 for a poodle cross lab or a labradoodle has he chose to call it , Dont care what anyone says its a mongrel its not a registered breed , you can't tell me that this breeder yes breeder is what she called herself was'nt in it for the money only , for my two penth worth if there a good breeder they would'nt be mixing breeds they would be breeding pure bred puppies , he was crazy ,, said he wanted a big dog , a black dog , that does'nt shed too much ,, why oh why did'nt he just go get a giant shnauzer or something ,,, Good thing is i do know of one guy who was selling mastiff pups , started of at 5 grand went down and down until he was stuck with the parents and 3 massive 9 month old pups , which he gave away he could'nt afford to keep them a freind who took one had it put down because at just over 12 month old it killed a neigbors dog , then killed another on the beach , he knew someone else who took one and they had it put down after it bit there kid , yeh proper responsible breeding going on out there And i say good thing because they never managed to make all the money they thought they would Edited July 12, 2021 by coneye 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) OK - the stars aligned for my elderly neighbour. Yes it was a Gumtree listing but as of last night she is now the proud owner of a new black female toy poodle puppy. She paid 3k for the last puppy in the litter (originally listed at 4k). I went with her to make sure it all was legit, went well and to stop her getting carried away. Two visits. The first to view and decide and the second to collect. The breeder comes from a family who breeds poodles back in China and he clearly knew what he was doing. While he is not a registered ANKC breeder, he was registered to breed in SA through the Dog and Cat Management Board and had all the legally required registration papers and vet records ready to go. He also had a pile of micro-chip registrations from previous buyers ready to send in for registration in one lot (correct). The breeder immediately showed us both parents and he was honest enough to say he was fairly sure the sire was pure-bred but would not stake his life on it. The dam was pure-bred and the puppies certainly looked pure-bred. (No papers, but this was not a concern to my neighbour). The parents and puppy looked very well cared for, clean and happy and the house was spotless (surprising for a male student!). The puppy was happy to play and race around independently of Mum and Dad and they were all very happy with the breeder handling them, (no fear). He had been feeding them Royal Canin dry food. The only down side I could see is the lack of ANKC registration and that the puppy has probably not had a lot of experience outside. I think it had been socialised to some degree as there was no fear reaction whatsoever when we handled her at the breeders home. Only one whimper on the way home in the car. I suspect he is an international student trying to make ends meet through what he knows - and in some ways, although I would prefer that he had ANKC registration, you can't blame him in these times. And he did appear to be trying to do the right thing. I must say, the puppy is gorgeous. She was perfectly happy on the way home in the car (I drove), nestled in my elderly neighbours arms. When she got home, she immediately introduced herself to the Shepherd in the family and they seemed to bond well pretty immediately. The long-haired Chihuahua cross has her nose out of joint. So one out of two isn't bad. She then went to a bowl of raw beef and wolfed it down in preference to the dry food - which is good. (Yes we realise that probably meant accidents over night but my neighbour is very experienced with dogs, litters and very capable and tolerant - and she will whip her toilet training into shape in a flash). I suspect she spent the night on my neighbour's bed! So all's well that ends well. Her name is Ella, she is 12 weeks old (IIRC) and I must say, that couple of extra weeks with Mum makes such a difference - I don't think I've ever seen such a happy confident puppy. She will be off to the vet today for an introduction and check. Then we'll work out when to introduce her to my two westies - Mia will love having a puppy next door. Mission accomplished! Edited July 13, 2021 by westiemum 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 12/07/2021 at 11:19 AM, coneye said: Prices are scanadlous freind of mine this week paid $7000 yes you read it correct $7000 for a poodle cross lab or a labradoodle has he chose to call it , Dont care what anyone says its a mongrel its not a registered breed , you can't tell me that this breeder yes breeder is what she called herself was'nt in it for the money only , for my two penth worth if there a good breeder they would'nt be mixing breeds they would be breeding pure bred puppies , he was crazy ,, said he wanted a big dog , a black dog , that does'nt shed too much ,, why oh why did'nt he just go get a giant shnauzer or something ,,, Good thing is i do know of one guy who was selling mastiff pups , started of at 5 grand went down and down until he was stuck with the parents and 3 massive 9 month old pups , which he gave away he could'nt afford to keep them a freind who took one had it put down because at just over 12 month old it killed a neigbors dog , then killed another on the beach , he knew someone else who took one and they had it put down after it bit there kid , yeh proper responsible breeding going on out there And i say good thing because they never managed to make all the money they thought they would Coneye I agree - you need rocks in your head to pay that price for a cross breed. Particularly when you can have a predictable pure-breed with a reliable track record. Your friend deserves what he gets. So many of these cross breeds are complete nutters. Its happened multiple times here. Friends of mine ignored my advice to stay pure-bred and bought a cavalier x poodle. Complete separation anxiety nippy nutter of a dog - and then wanted me to pick up the pieces. GRRRRR. Then other friends also bought a cavalier x poodle puppy. The thing is almost 12 months old separation anxiety and is constantly nipping at their elderly ankles! Suspect it has more than cavalier and poodle in it! Just nuts! When will people realise what a huge risk they take in rolling the genetic dice like this! Crazy idiots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 This so sad and mad SO much money!!!!! For an unknown. Eek. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 11/07/2021 at 6:30 AM, Pucapo said: While there are definitely more listings, note they are mostly male, or people advertising matings. It is hard to get a toy poodle female. While am not promoting Gumtree, it is a good indication of current price 'trends', since the prices are actually listed. Yep correct Pucapo. While I don't like Gumtree either, for people like my pensioner neighbours who just want a companion animal of their favourite breed, often its the only option. But man, do you have to know what you are doing and what to look for - and not be afraid to ask a lot of questions and walk away. And I think Gumtree suggests that prices are starting to come down - and here in westie world we're certainly bracing ourselves for an influx of older puppies and dogs onto the rescue market. :( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiemum Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, persephone said: This so sad and mad SO much money!!!!! For an unknown. Eek. You said it Perse! :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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