Rehoming mothers

[Sueton]

I would like to know if there are any risks to rehoming bitches who have had 3 litters.  She is 5 years old. Are there any health complications  to taking on this Terrier? 

[jemappelle]

I have recently taken on a retired breeding bitch.  The only 'problem' that I am aware of is a small increase in the risk of mammary cancer down the track due to not being desexed earlier.  However, there are no guarantees with any living thing.

[asal]

Hilarious, yet we are told women who have never had children are more at risk of breast cancer , yet you have been told a bitch that has had puppies is more at risk?

 

 

 

https://my.puppyculture.co.uk/resources/flipbook/spay-neuter-booklet/?fbclid=IwAR3lEykaEOdbnqftX3VbyCLpK_GirhYKqQqwG7yudTQlOcPswB_8Q-vJzeI

[asal]

some more light reading

 

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full?fbclid=IwAR3qU5PwdGUOT9ivK4ZI1nrq_k9xWTcwLKHHgzdOye8V1r2IDG0QNeTKK7U

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5 years old is a great age IMHO.

Health worries wouldn't come from her being a breeding dog, what you want is a sound healthy girl (patellas, heart, eyes etc) and I'd simply ask if your vet can view her records just in case she has pre-existing conditions you can't insure for. 

 

And while it's controversial here apparently, desex her - when she's settled. At 5 & being rehomed, she's ready to retire. And you don't need pyometra or mammary tumours.

[juice]

I have 2 ex show/breeding bitch's who have been fine.

Is the breeder not insisting she be desexed before leaving them anyway?

[Rebanne]

I must admit I just assumed the bitch would be desexed before leaving. No arguments from me re being desexed unless being kept for breeding.

[sandgrubber]

No extraordinary risks.  As others have stated, there's a small increase in risk of mammary tumors and pyometra.  Having litters is natural and three is not excessive. 

[julesluvscavs]

We were rehomed Renae. She was about 4 i think? and had 2  litters but due to the complications from her 2nd litter,  the breeder decided to desex her and gift her to us.
She lived the best life for years after with us but sadly got liver cancer
If an offer came to us again we would probably do it again provided the dog is healthy at the time   
Ps We did know her Breeder as we had previously bought one of her young dogs ( Renae's Son from one of her litters) that wasn't taking to the show life.
When our puppy Miah came along years later (from another Breeder) Renae took her under her wing and was fantastic with her but strict also in a loving Motherly way

Edited July 18, 2020 by julesluvscavs

[Papillon Kisses]

I’d be conscious too of where she’s come from and what socialisation she’s had, which is more than going to dog shows.

 

Some breeders keep their dogs in kennels or they may simply live in a more rural area, and the dog may struggle adjusting to suburban or inner city life. If they haven’t been positively exposed to children, they may not feel comfortable around them, and so on.

 

A friend of mine recently got an adolescent dog who has spent all her life up to now living in a kennel on a semi-rural property, and she’s very anxious about all things in and outside her new home. The dog is needing a lot of medical and behavioural support to adjust.
 

There’s a lot you can do of course, and some dogs adjust better, but you don’t want a square peg in a round hole situation.

[sandgrubber]

9 hours ago, Papillon Kisses said:

I’d be conscious too of where she’s come from and what socialisation she’s had,

 

That holds for any dog you adopt. So many dogs are left by their lonesome and never allowed to learn to interact with others. 

[Papillon Kisses]

Oh, absolutely! But from what I’ve seen, I’m not sure people think about it so much when the dog comes from a breeder as an adult vs a rescue. My friend certainly didn’t.

Edited July 19, 2020 by Papillon Kisses

[asal]

yes rescues dogs are preferable. 'Adopt, dont shop"

 

remember, we hear it all the time so it must be true

[Papillon Kisses]

36 minutes ago, asal said:

yes rescues dogs are preferable. 'Adopt, dont shop"

 

remember, we hear it all the time so it must be true

I’m not arguing that, Asal, if that’s what you’re thinking.

[asal]

22 hours ago, Papillon Kisses said:

I’d be conscious too of where she’s come from and what socialisation she’s had, which is more than going to dog shows.

 

Some breeders keep their dogs in kennels or they may simply live in a more rural area, and the dog may struggle adjusting to suburban or inner city life. If they haven’t been positively exposed to children, they may not feel comfortable around them, and so on.

 

A friend of mine recently got an adolescent dog who has spent all her life up to now living in a kennel on a semi-rural property, and she’s very anxious about all things in and outside her new home. The dog is needing a lot of medical and behavioural support to adjust.
 

There’s a lot you can do of course, and some dogs adjust better, but you don’t want a square peg in a round hole situation.

Kind of ignores the fact that if the "breeder" is inspected, if they do not have the kennels and runs as laid out for the POCTA for breeding dogs and cats. they WILL NOT pass inspection .

 

Thanks to that, unless you comply you cannot pass, yet to pass, this is also the definition of a puppy farm?

 

Any dog that has grown past the puppy stage is bonded to its home and owner and family.

 

So if its "rescued" from either its family home or registered breeder, to that dog, its been stolen from its home and will be wary and suspicious. Many breeds even have the obvious stated in the standard "suspicious" "wary" 

 

 

Lhasa Apso -Gay, assertive, but chary of strangers.  How many remember the lady in Victora who had all her dogs seized when one she had recently rehomed had the temerity to be "Chary" of the vet its new owners took it to for a check up?   they had no problems with their new pet,  but the vet convinced them if she was "chary" of her it may fear bite someone else, so needed to be put it down.  The dog died even though it never bit that vet, solely because it might bite?. A titled Australian Champion that had never had a suspension issued during its show career for any form of aggressive behaviour?

 

Australian Cattle dog  - Whilst naturally suspicious of strangers" "A warning or suspicious glint is characteristic when approached by strangers.   Pretty much a guarantee that "suspicious glint" would be the end of any ACD seized , along with most of these below and I haven't time go go through all the breed standards all of which describe exactly why so many never pass the so called "temperament tests.

 

" Antolian Shepherd, - but wary of strangers when on duty."  who is going to tell that dog being re-homed/rescued and only strangers present that its no longer "on duty"?

 

"Boxer, -fearless courage as a defender and protector. The Boxer is docile but distrustful of strangers"

 

"Canadian Eskimo Dog - Usually they will exhibit a rather quiet friendliness and harmless curiosity or become completely distant." 

 

"Estrella Mountain Dog - distrustful towards strangers and typically docile to its master."

 

 

Kangal Shepherd Dog -  " Loyal and affectionate to owners, but wary of strangers when on duty." 

 

So what stranger is going to be able to explain to the dog that it is no longer "on duty"  or any of the other breeds displaying normal for their breed, when its owners no where to be seen and that is the only person it is looking for................. now been rehomed/rescued? 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't forget the ten Border Collies in S.A. seized and court order granted to kill them all based on they "may fear bite"   

 

A little light reading if you do not know about this sad fiasco

 

WISH Animal Rescue Team Perth WALike Page

Yesterday at 09:30 3/4/2019

A note to RSPCA South Australia and RSPCA Australia

We know your watching.
We know your reading this.
We know you've been inundated with hundreds of calls and emails.
We know more than 75000 people support us in our attempt to save the Border Collies.
We know that you want to shut the breeder down.
But we also know that killings these dogs to "prove" a point, isn't the answer.

When Fridays court proceedings concluded, and you were awarded the right to decide what happens with the Border Collies now in your care, we cringed. Cringed because we knew your plan was the kill them. We have been asked how we know this, and the answer is simple. YOU TOLD US in the court documents. "The application said that it was in the best interests of the animals that some (if not all) of the adult dogs be humanely euthanized, and that the rest of the dogs be re-homed from the shelter to a new family or rescue facility." Not only does this show us that you already had your mind made up regarding the adults, but that you proposed the option of "rescue facility". So why now only days later are you stating that you will not allow another rescue group to take them on, or even give us the chance to asses them for ourselves.

Your media release stated that "We already have very experienced foster carers who could be called upon if the dogs were capable of benefitting from housing in a domestic environment, and were safe to do so. Unfortunately neither is the case. The dogs’ behaviour indicates that they’ve had little or no experience of life outside a cage. Hence, they have likely never enjoyed the usual human interaction and socialisation received by family pets.". However we have 37 in care that beg to differ this story. We have adults upwards of 6 years old, and all they have ever known is kennels, yet are adapting perfectly, around children, babies, other dogs, cats horses, chickens, everything - and they are settling better than anyone could have expected or hoped.

You stated that financially you cannot continue to house the 10 adults, and continue to pay expenses for them. We will take them off your hands TODAY. We will even assist in some of those costs and pay you $1000 PER ADULT. That is $10,000 towards your bills you have acquired. We will ADOPT all 10 adults from you and bring them into WISH Care. We will take over all future vet work, including desexing them and ending the breeding cycle for these ten, just like we have with the 37 in our care. Handing them over will not only free your kennels, but help you financially. Give us a month, let us place them with experienced foster carers who already know what they are dealing with as they have fostered siblings, aunts, mothers to your ten. Let us show you that we can save them. Let us allow you to show the public, that you choose an animals right to live, over the politics.

Releasing these animals will not effect your upcoming court case. You have the evidence you need now. Please let them be dogs again, please let us save them.

#savethebordercollies #wishanimalrescue

 

 

Shortly after this was public, 4 had already been killed, to date I have no idea what was the fate of the remaining 6, no press release has been issued to my knowledge of them being surrendered or sold in exchange for the payments offered by  Wish.

 

 

 

Today if any dog exhibits exactly what is the norm for it's breed this is interpreted as what...

 to exhibit that normal behaviour it will be classed as having been neglected and or abused?

 

a new dog in a new home needs some seriously long slack as it adjusts to all this new learning curve..

 

Please resist the urge to blame its previous owner folks,  square pegs can and do happily adjust given patience and time, as Wish so thoroughly proved

 

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by asal

[asal]

21 minutes ago, Papillon Kisses said:

I’m not arguing that, Asal, if that’s what you’re thinking.

it is intended to be facetious .

 

facetious

/fəˈsiːʃəs/

 

 

adjective

 

1. treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour; flippant.

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Cue to a thread being anti-rescue derailed again. 

Can we get back to the OP's question.

[Two Best Dogs!]

No risks any different to any other female dog, except the risk of a long happy life ;) 

 

Terriers are resilient little things! Would probably desex to get any ovary/in season concerns out of the way and then off you go with your new friend

[juice]

For goodness sake, do we really have to go on marathon rants and put off newbies ! get a grip and quit the agenda its bloody boring.

[asal]

seeing advisers insinuate (no matter how subtle)  that any dog with behaviour and or health issues is the fault of the previous owner is not only unfair to them, but to the dog.

 

Not one person can life guarantee the health of their or your child, yet I have lost count of how many times I have heard you should do exactly that for any dog you bred?

 

That darling dog the op is asking about is not inherently less healthy because she did was comes naturally............been a mother.   I wish the OP a long and wonderful relationship with her new pet.

 

For goodness sake!   This is a purebred dog forum,  the demonisation of breeding is now at the point of  ridiculous.

 

demonization

/ˌdiːmənʌɪˈzeɪʃ(ə)n/

Learn to pronounce

 

noun

noun: demonisation

1. the portrayal of something as wicked and threatening.

   "the demonization of enemies continues to be a fundamental part of politics"

 

Could not be more apt, dog politic's too.

 

I have remain silent for decades as the trend grew from the early 80's criminalising anyone who breeds. Look at the mess now.   Start to see the good in dog people and dog breeders before its totally too late and I will stop "boring" you.

 

 

what was so boring about?

 

"

Today if any dog exhibits exactly what is the norm for it's breed this is interpreted as what...

 to exhibit that normal behaviour it will be classed as having been neglected and or abused?

 

a new dog in a new home needs some seriously long slack as it adjusts to all this new learning curve..

 

Please resist the urge to blame its previous owner folks,  square pegs can and do happily adjust given patience and time, as Wish so thoroughly proved"

 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by asal