Dog owners angry they were sold puppies with genetic conditions

[Boronia]

No surprise here

(the cut and paste isn't working so you'll need to click the ABC link)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/puppy-farm-queensland-sunshine-coast-dispute/12132372

 

 

[persephone]

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she deliberately chose to breed 'oodle' cross-breeds because they had fewer health conditions.

She said luxating patella was a common issue in small, cross-bred dogs and was not "a big deal".

 

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"We definitely sell them quite often because it is a growth issue with puppies, you can't genetically test for it, so you know that's impossible to do at this stage."

Oh Dear ...

[Little Gifts]

There is a FB Page that is on this puppy farmer like flies on shit. And I love them for it!!!! They've been trying to expand their operation by a ridiculous number of breeding dogs but not getting far still because of the public backlash up here.

[asal]

I found it hilarious the rspca stood up for her saying , as I have highlighted in red. 

 

Yet, ANKC members have been told for over 20 years now to be "ethical and responsible" they should "LIFETIME guarantee" their puppies.

 

I have said from day one when my friends began spouting that....  HOW can you lifetime guarantee a pup when you cannot lifetime guarantee your own child?   Are you nuts? You have a child you take a risk and have to accept the good and the bad.  All any breeder can do is ensure the parents are as sound as possible.............  Most human parents dont even know if they carry a genetic fault, let alone test to find out before they have a child.

 

Animal Rights began the campaign and ankc breeders for some weird reason grabbed it as their banner to distance themselves from the dreaded puppy farmer..........

As I spotted when I read the NSW POCTA that all breeders now must comply with.  It is the blue print for a puppy farm, so,  far as our state politicians believe, EVERYONE is a puppy farmer, so your biting your own tail folks.

 

I never thought the day would dawn again that i would agree with anything an rspca representative said but its happened?  Astonished.

Although they have been selling rescues with all manner of issues with no responsibility for the costs involved in vet care for the new owners, now its in print their reason why.

 

 

RSPCA says DVK is compliant

RSPCA Queensland solicitor and prosecutions officer Tracey Jackson confirmed they had recently investigated DVK over concerns raised by the public.

Ms Jackson said inspectors had found no evidence of offences under the Animal Care and Protection Act, or the RSPCA's Breeder's Standards.

"Advice and education was provided to the owner of the facility and she immediately implemented measures to ensure ongoing compliance with the standards," Ms Jackson said.

"This included ensuring veterinary checks of her animals to identify any of these heritable conditions, even if they were not obvious, prior to using them for breeding."

 

Ms Howlett says she doesn't claim to offer guarantees.(ABC News: Stephanie Zillman)

Ms Jackson said it was extremely difficult for breeders to be able to tell if a dog necessarily had a "heritable condition", which included hip and elbow dysplasia, heart murmurs and luxating patellae.

"What is difficult for people to understand is that while the Breeder's Standards prohibit breeders using dogs with these conditions for breeding, they do not prohibit the sale of puppies that have these conditions – or that ultimately exhibit these conditions," Ms Jackson said.

"This is primarily because these conditions are not usually obvious or easily detectable or diagnosable at a young age."

The RSPCA encouraged people who were purchasing puppies to do their research about the breed, speak to their vet, and speak with breeders before making decisions about their purchases.

"There are no lifetime guarantees with puppies, and even puppies bred by breeders in full compliance with the laws, could end up with some of these conditions, or other health issues," Ms Jackson said.

Edited May 4, 2020 by asal

[asal]

As my vet said, if a dog is a pet the majority of dogs with luxating patella do not need operating on.

 

Today's vets see it as the new money spinner 

 

I have seen dogs that were Australian champions with luxating patella and not even the judges realised it, there are so many grades of it.

 

two dogs I knew with it were so wobbly in the back legs they looked ridiculous but their vets agreed there was no need for the op, the op itself cuts away the cartlidge to deepen the groove and what does that do?  once done halves the time before there is bone exposed and arthritis begin.

both the wobblies never developed arthritis and one lived to 18 the other to 21.  owned by different families.

 

the Australian champion had figured hers out, when it locked, she would stretch her leg back until it clicked back into place itself and off she continued...

she looked like every now and then she liked to do a leg stretch.

I was looking after her for her owner and took her to my vet worried there was something weird wrong with her.

 

he was very impressed with her solution, lived till 17 and still sound in her legs with no pain.  if she had been operated on she would have been arthritic well before old age caught up with her

 

[Loving my Oldies]

3 hours ago, asal said:

As my vet said, if a dog is a pet the majority of dogs with luxating patella do not need operating on.

 

Today's vets see it as the new money spinner 

Being a money spinner started  a while ago, @asal    .  I well recall my first vet in the mid 1990s showing me how easy it was to slip the bones in and out.  He had his own veterinary hospital practice for over 30 years and said that, in that time, he’d done one operation on a luxating patella.  

 

So many dogs condemned to pain through to agony in their later years because of the venality of some vets.  Good and bad in every profession.  A vet says to a trusting, wide eyed client ..... oh, if you don’t do something now your dog is really going to suffer in later years and the owner, trusting the practitioner to want nothing but the best for the beloved pet, gasps in horror and the dog has the operation.  

 

Well if they live long enough most dogs (and people) will get arthritis to some level.    It is criminal.  

 

My same vet was attending a conference where the speaker was talking about luxating patellas.  My vet said, in disgust, to the man sitting next to him, that the vast majority of these operations should not be done and that he’d done one lp in the whole of his career.  The man said, “Don’t say that, mate, that’s how I make my money.”  

 

 

 

 

[persephone]

My Mitchel (Xbreed) had a bad luxating patella , so yes, I had surgery done for him . Why watch him freeze every time his knee locked and he couldn't run ? Sure I could pop it back ..but he had many years of pain free racing around, working sheep , bunny chasing etc  post-surgery, with no problems in the other knee or anything .

[asal]

35 minutes ago, Loving my Oldies said:

Being a money spinner started  a while ago, @asal    .  I well recall my first vet in the mid 1990s showing me how easy it was to slip the bones in and out.  He had his own veterinary hospital practice for over 30 years and said that, in that time, he’d done one operation on a luxating patella.  

 

So many dogs condemned to pain through to agony in their later years because of the venality of some vets.  Good and bad in every profession.  A vet says to a trusting, wide eyed client ..... oh, if you don’t do something now your dog is really going to suffer in later years and the owner, trusting the practitioner to want nothing but the best for the beloved pet, gasps in horror and the dog has the operation.  

 

Well if they live long enough most dogs (and people) will get arthritis to some level.    It is criminal.  

 

My same vet was attending a conference where the speaker was talking about luxating patellas.  My vet said, in disgust, to the man sitting next to him, that the vast majority of these operations should not be done and that he’d done one lp in the whole of his career.  The man said, “Don’t say that, mate, that’s how I make my money.”  

 

 

 

 

Dreadful isnt it.

 

yes its not really new now, but it began about 17 years ago on a big scale.

one of my puppies owners rang me and wanted me to pay for her puppys op,   she was only 7 months old when her vet said both needed to be done. both parents were perfect as was the pup at ten weeks... my vet hit the roof when I contacted him.

 

his words were , "the bastard must have needed the money for his new car! There was nothing wrong with that pup."

 

but the deed was done and think he slugged her over $1,700

Cant remember now if it was for each leg,

or both now, too long ago.  

 

my vet rang her and told her exactly what he thought of someone who didnt even have the good manners to contact the vet who had examined her as a puppy.  Let alone only contact the breeder after having the op done with no chance of a second opinion.

 

She was far from happy when he told her in his opinion there was nothing wrong with the pup when he examined her and to operated on any pup under 18 months was criminal and had told me not to pay a cent.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by asal

[Dogsfevr]

This is why breeder s have so much detail in contracts these days .We have it clearly listed about severe medical issues that the vet deems the breeders fault requiring us to be informed for a second opinion before any action is taken because too many vets are getting it wrong .
We had a puppy owner contact us with a horrid attitude that the pup they brought had a severe issue ,we contacted them by phone asap (they opted to email with no details just the pissed off one liner   ,we did send a follow up email to cover us regarding contacting them) .
We finally got told what & asked them to send the vet report .We got permission for there vet to contact our vet regarding the issues,x rays etc etc.

Our vet was appalled at that clinic,for starters the x rays where positioned wrong ,what they had diagnosed was not an issue or even existed & yes there prognosis was major surgery on a pup .
An issue was detected which was minimal & required no surgery & required them to see a doggy rehab specialist as the dog had been blind sided at the park & injured ,there vet was claiming a breeding issue .

We asked for there vet to do a detailed report for our puppy folder on that litter & shock horror they refused to put anything in writing .They eventually refunded the pups owners vet bill .
Issue is the puppies owner was so stuck up with blame mode they dont keep in touch .
Sad that an idiot vet & clinic can cause such grief .

I also experienced an issue with my own dog .We used the vet closest to us for an X ray due to an extreme heatwave & a simple procedure .
Prognosis when i picked up my dogs hips where terrible & needed a double hip replacement .
Vet obviously thought i was a numpty so played along .
He showed me his x rays was pointing out the issue area when i decided to demonstrate im not an idiot .
This was an 8 yr old dog who plan as day could see on the xray hips great but had severe spondolysis which they didn't advice .
As we new the agenda of this clinic we resubmitted the x rays for hip scoring with Wyburn .
Dog cam back with a slightly higher score than originally due to lack of flex but well below breed average but pointed out a minor HD would be nothing compared to the severe spondo .
Took the report back to the vet & his reply did we pay for the report ,shit hit the fan bigtime .
We also asked them to do a detailed report for the breeder who was fully in the loop plus having 2 other vets plus Wyburn read the x rays .
Vet report still listed spondo as insignificant ,he had it severe in a bad place

Sad part is pet owners dont question ,requestion or phone for some advice help