'Awful, terrible, shocking': McGowan government to outlaw puppy farming

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‘Awful, terrible, shocking': McGowan government to outlaw puppy farming

By Lauren Pilat

February 9, 2020 — 2.28pm

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West Australians will no longer be able to buy puppies and dogs from pet shop windows if the McGowan government’s legislative reform against puppy farming and animal cruelty gets the green light.

Premier Mark McGowan on Sunday said the Dog Amendment (Stop Puppy Farming) Bill 2019 will be introduced in Parliament to end the breeding of dogs in poor conditions, prevent overbreeding and crackdown on illegal breeders.

 

The McGowan government is driving legislation to outlaw puppy farming. CREDIT:RSPCA

 

Mr McGowan said the new laws would mean dogs would be traced throughout their lives via a central registration system, allowing authorities to identify dodgy or illegal breeders and shut down their operations.

“Under these laws it will be an offence to engage in puppy farming across Western Australia, we’re going to outlaw this awful, terrible, shocking practice and make sure as best we can we protect the interests and welfare of dogs across our state,” he said.

 

“We will also be providing assistance to pet shops to help them transition to dog and puppy adoption centres meaning they can re-home displaced and abandoned dogs.”

Maylands MLA and Puppy Farming Working Group chair Lisa Baker said some WA pet shops sourced thousands of puppies a year from illegal farms from over east instead of selling pedigrees responsibly sourced from the Canine Association of WA, DogsWest.

“This legislation will make our dogs and puppies safer, reduce the opportunity for illegal puppy farming and encourage better welfare for all dogs … it supports good breeding practices and responsible pet ownership,” she said.

“You won’t buy directly out of that shop window anymore ... now you’ll go to an adoption centre at an appropriate time, play with the puppies, have a look at them, spend time with them and think about your decision.”

Ms Baker said 200 charities across WA last year placed more than 3000 puppies and dogs in homes.

 

RSPCA WA chair Lynne Bradshaw welcomed the reform, which she said promised to deliver the most significant animal welfare improvement in WA since 2002.

“Right now, dog breeding is totally unregulated and anyone can breed as many puppies as they want,” she said.

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“RSPCA WA inspectors deal with many cases where unwanted puppies and dogs are simply abandoned and left to fend for themselves.”

Ms Bradshaw recalled recent cases of animal cruelty in which puppies were dumped in a shopping bag in bush near Collie, a box of 10 black and tan puppies with their umbilical cords still attached dumped near Narrogin Creek; and a litter of puppies dumped at a rubbish tip in Esperance.

 

The full costing of helping pet shops transition into adoption centres will be announced in coming months along with dog standards and guidelines dictating to pet owners how to best care for their animals.

If the legislation is passed in Parliament, registered breeders will still be able to breed while other dogs must be de-sexed by two years of age, unless exempt.

 

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/awful-terrible-shocking-mcgowan-government-to-outlaw-puppy-farming-20200209-p53z5p.html

 

 

[asal]

its all the usual political furphy to get votes.

 

Pet shops will still be able to sell puppies through the window, just that they will have to be "rescue" puppies.

 

and all it means is that the commercial breeders have to pay to be 'registered' same now as victoria and qld.. = money in govt coffers.

 

its all a public relations feel good exercise.

 

so now every 'breeder' will be 'registered' so joe public wouldnt have a clue which is an ankc breeder or a now 'registered' and legal 'puppy farm'  except once its registered its no long a puppy farm its a 'registered breeder' wonder if they will have 'bin numbers' like qld or a different name? 

 

thats the only unanswered question perhaps

 

 

Priceless, so because "some WA pet shops sourced thousands of puppies a year from illegal farms from over east instead of selling pedigrees responsibly sourced from the Canine Association of WA, DogsWest."

 

Only rescues will be allowed instead?

 

Nothing like punishing the majority because of a few.

wonder if she will legislate all men over 14 will have to be castrated because some become rapists?

Same mentality, so lucky for the men of australia that the majority of politicians are male and she hasnt a hope of getting that passed.

 

 

Edited February 10, 2020 by asal

[sandgrubber]

Glad I'm in NZ.  Australia seems to be going crazy. 

[PossumCorner]

Not wrong sg.  The chicken of apathy is coming home to roost.

 

[_PL_]

Meanwhile NSW and Qld are building brand spanking new puppy farms. Like the one in Bathurst built specifically to supply a Sydney pet retailer with oodles. 

[asal]

On 13/02/2020 at 9:35 PM, PossumCorner said:

Not wrong sg.  The chicken of apathy is coming home to roost.

 

Odd comment

 

The fanaticism to eliminate puppy farms borders on manic, along with the demands government micromanage all owner's. 

 

Curiously all it's achieved is the decimation of ANKC member's and the certification of more and more what?  Puppy Farms?

We live in interesting times.

 

Prime example of be careful what you wish for. 

 

 

 

[YOLO]

Will be interesting to see exactly what this involves.

The problem is labelling something as a "puppy farm" based on what?  Volume?
I have less a problem conceptually with a large-scale operation that is professionally, ethically, and responsibly run.  Rather than the boobs breeding mongrels in their back-yards in unsanitary and unsafe conditions.  (And usually overbreeding, every season.)

And what's this BS about stocking pet-shops with "rescue pups"?
Even now, rescue pups are rare, and only occur when somebody surrenders an already pregnant bitch.  So where do they expect to find all these pups??

Even if they actually mean rescue dogs, where will they come from?
Unless they mean to continue to allow the backyard bogans to continue selling their mongrels on gumtree?

[Little Gifts]

On 15/02/2020 at 8:26 AM, Powerlegs said:

Meanwhile NSW and Qld are building brand spanking new puppy farms. Like the one in Bathurst built specifically to supply a Sydney pet retailer with oodles. 

We are still fighting against the expansion of one on the Sunshine Coast. I reckon its got enough steam to be successful. It's been at least a year but they still operate and pump out puppies.

 

I wish govt would find a way of legislating the demise of puppy farms and irresponsible dog owners without slapping qualified small breeders around the head at the same time. Like how do we reduce column A and B whilst encouraging column C? There will always be a need for well bred dogs and dogs bred for purpose. It's the unskilled breeding practices, the abused bitches and studs, the unvetted whelps and the overabundance of expensive and defective puppies that needs to be reduced - that is where the impact/cost is on consumers buying faulty products, rescue and shelters picking up the pieces, policing animal cruelty and of course abuse on animals. Surely they can come up with ways of reducing one and increasing or maintaining the other?

[moosmum]

By

a) Promoting those breeders who are doing good things, with explanations of why its a good thing. 

B) Discouraging those who would discredit those good things with 'Yeah, but its a puppy farmer', Or BYBer, Or Pedigree 'show' dog. .

 

Because they are all breeders, and its possible to breed poorly in any of those categories.

Its not quantity that proves a poor job, or a backyard pet, or a pedigree but people have come to equate each of those things with a poor or unethical job/product.

Every man (and his dog) have been told, constantly, any  category of breeder is is associated with poor practices.

 

What do poor practices look like?  A Puppy Farm! A BYBer! A pedigree breeder! Breeders in general, in other words.

Because we all know theres only one way to breed a dog well, don't we? We are told that constantly, that its dependent  on environment. Not the individuals purpose and goals.

 

But what does a good breeder look like? Because nobody can accept a  breeder might be able to do something right, unless its done the way we believe it should be done.

We teach that success should be qualified, by our own standards and conditions regardless of the goals or purpose behind the success.

 

By allowing and promoting  demonstrations of  value, as survival of the species demands, with out the need for some self righteous persons  to discredit it, where ever  its found.'Cos if you are looking to fault some one,  finding fault is easy.  But thats not what any of us should be promoting. But that is exactly what we have been doing and why  heavily regulated and qualified ( to the standards we insist must be universal) commercial breeders will be favoured in this little valued,  discredited environment we are left with.

And who will be left to contest their values, methods or purpose when those are the only conditions a breeder may work with?

Who will be left to claim or show better could be had?

 

If we are going to demand qualification for the product of sale or trade, the only qualification that will be able to achieve universal recognition will be commercial qualification.

Or you can promote responsibility of breeders to their product and their environment by demonstrating how and why things can be done to achieve results that will be best received.

Edited June 22, 2020 by moosmum

[moosmum]

The conditions a breeder works with ARE the breeders environment.

 

Responsibility is about responding to your environment, in ways that expand it. Deliver value/space.  So more of the environment is open to you. If what you give is seen as some thing of value, That improves in some way the conditions around you (customers)  and so your purpose is welcomed.

 

You don't get to decide what that value will be.

 

You are the organism, the breeders. The world as it is, is the environment.  You don't get to make demands of the environment.  It makes demands and you can either meet them or fail .

 

Setting conditions or qualifications on the environment breeders accept before  it has  value to you,  is rejecting your environment.

Narrowing the sets of conditions  accepted  for valid membership as breeders  doesn't allow  evolution of breeder identity. The conditions set are all that will support you. Theres nothing left  to evolve to. And breeders  will only exist at all while they have environmental support.. So the product better be good. And appeal to wide range of people, for as many different purposes as they can find because their purpose  is not qualified. It either finds acceptance or it doesn't.

 

Not easy when the breeding stock  selected from and for, is  limited to  'qualifications" you set, mistaking that for responsibility.

 

Responsibility is  consistently meeting and exceeding expectations- And exceeding them will set higher expectations. Those who can't match them will fall. But there will always be some who can't. As breeders, responsibility means  minimising the numbers who will fail and how badly.

Not by eliminating those who possibly would. 

Minimise failure with information. Familiarity with the subject. The pitfalls of breeding, possible solutions, most of all, by teaching the benefits of doing it right by showing what can be had when it is. It doesn't have to hold appeal for everyone.  The diverse values of any given dog should match the diverse values of its environment. Or its not evolving where it could, not expanding the available environment or contributing value where it could.

 

The word value here is not only what you see in some thing you want, its also space or environment made available to dogs. Thats what marks a  successful evolution to the environment we have got. 

You can't decide your own evolution without working with the conditions you've got. there. It just doesn't work to say you will reduce what you have, to what you want. 

because then you can work with nothing else. There is no responsibility  to  environment , if you can only be familiar/recognise or accept  a narrow set of qualifying conditions for recognition as a breeder. With no room for evolution in any new or other direction.

 

It does NOT mean we accept failure. It means we teach what success looks like, so people don't accept less .There will be mistakes. As long as their are dogs to make them with.  We are not finished evolving as breeders.

But there will less support given to failure when people have higher expectations, based on what  success they've seen demonstrated. Not always to your own values.

 

 Its basic biology really. Its a matter of recognising the environment you have, and your subject, or identity, of dog breeders" within  it. 

Not just limiting what you will accept.  You will not be able to respond,  as breeders,  to anything you don't. You  loose any control or influence you might have had. 

The community is your environment.  Dog breeders are the subject.

You don't get to demand what your environment will accept, without loosing environment!. 

You are not taking responsibility. You demonstrate, value given  for that. To shape expectations.

If you demonstrate failures, you shape expectation of failure. and reduce support given to the subject. Dog breeders.

Not just the failures, because its a single subject. 

Failures aren't the environments. They are ours, as dog breeders.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by moosmum

[Pjrt]

Thank for posting @moosmum. 
I reckon a lot of people get a bit lost reading your posts, but I like them and hope people give them real consideration. Hopefully after taking off the rose coloured glasses, should they be wearing them.....

 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by Scratch

[moosmum]

Thanks Scratch, 

 

I know I haven't been able to express this well. That makes it very frustrating.

I think the problem is that once you have grasped this concept, it alters the language you use. 

The meanings of  words are not different, but take on new dimensions. Quite literally, The dimension of Space. 

Its not easy to shift  perceptions to take that in.

 

But If it can't be falsified, it has huge repercussions so is important to try.

Your comments remind me its not useless until I give up..

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dogsfevr]

On 6/24/2020 at 9:37 AM, Scratch said:

Thank for posting @moosmum. 
I reckon a lot of people get a bit lost reading your posts, but I like them and hope people give them real consideration. Hopefully after taking off the rose coloured glasses, should they be wearing them.....

 

 

Actually as a breeder i find the posts by moosmum totally off putting & can see why Joe Public head to a pet shop .

[Pjrt]

They might be off putting, but they are important. 
As @moosmum states, it’s not easy to shift perceptions, be that from inside or outside, of the mind or the space. 

[Dogsfevr]

7 hours ago, Scratch said:

They might be off putting, but they are important. 
As @moosmum states, it’s not easy to shift perceptions, be that from inside or outside, of the mind or the space. 

No they make no sense to joe public .

Lets be real ,these forums are for the public.

The public would read that and think WTH.

This is why the puppy farms do better they speak the language the public get .

 

As dog breeders if we can’t communicate with the public we still don’t change anything .

 

And perceptions vary ,opinions of what is right and wrong varies but speaking a language that has no content “to get it” doesn’t change anything  it just makes people scroll past .

There is no educating when people scroll past .

 

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Dogsfevr

[moosmum]

1 hour ago, Dogsfevr said:

No they make no sense to joe public .

Lets be real ,these forums are for the public.

The public would read that and think WTH.

This is why the puppy farms do better they speak the language the public get .

 

As dog breeders if we can’t communicate with the public we still don’t change anything .

 

And perceptions vary ,opinions of what is right and wrong varies but speaking a language that has no content “to get it” doesn’t change anything  it just makes people scroll past .

There is no educating when people scroll past .

 

 

 

 

No, These forums are for Dog Fanciers. Who want to discuss dogs and learn. 

The 'Public' don't generally last long here.

 

 Breeders won't change the public, if thats your answer. These are some of the perceptions you do have to deal with. 

There are 3 choices.

 

Surrender: and have no effect either way on the out come.

 

Accept: and look for how you can change the perception. Because until you can, theres no communication happening.

 

Or, Reject:  as invalid, and not worth communicating with. Kinda how we got here.

 

 

Perceptions are supposed to vary, its called diversity and it allows more effective responses.....

In easy language,

If humans or breeders (pick your identity) all have to see things from only one unified perspective to be accepted, they're all going to be looking at  the same cloud as they step into the rabbit hole.

 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by moosmum

[moosmum]

On 16/02/2020 at 10:04 PM, asal said:

 

 

Prime example of be careful what you wish for. 

 

 

 

'Cos you get what you give

Edited June 29, 2020 by moosmum

[Dogsfevr]

1 hour ago, moosmum said:

No, These forums are for Dog Fanciers. Who want to discuss dogs and learn. 

The 'Public' don't generally last long here.

 

 

 

And just like that you alienate the public but can’t see .

[moosmum]

15 hours ago, Dogsfevr said:

And just like that you alienate the public but can’t see .

You don't see that there is no difference.

 

This forum is not for the public only because this one eyed collective refuses to recognise all perspectives are valid, and representative.

Its easier to dismiss people than work to give them a more complete perspective. Or take one away.

 

This forum is for breeders and dog fanciers because thats all you are left with.

The only ones who get any value from staying.

This collective won't work with anything they see as less.

 

Selecting the conditions of your  environment, by cutting out the bits that don't match your ideology of what you think it should look like, and ignoring the reality of what it is. 

 

The Dol identity often struggles to believe they are some thing more, or 'other'  than the public space they're given.

Some thing distinct from it, isn't very public..

 

It doesn't hurt you to accept and wrap your head around other perspectives. You don't have to agree with them. Only try to understand where they come from because you have no hope of changing what they are until you understand them..

 

Dog breeders and fanciers are either a part of their human community/environment, taking responsibility to further their own particular  perspectives of value there, or they are something other, with different responsibilities. Responsible to another identity.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2020 by moosmum

[asal]

just the assumption that anyone wanting a female pup that so many quickly assume they plan on becoming a puppy farmer is so prevalent here.

 

Is guaranteed to alienate the majority who dip their toe in and dont realise how savagely they will be attacked if they dont say the safe things.

 

No welcome here to newbies who would like to become an ankc member and register a prefix.

 

Have to grovel or else

 

Without the magic words, "I want to show." 

 

"I will only breed a litter to replace my oldie"

 

the teeth start showing in seconds

 

Sadly. not much bedside manner to be found here

 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by asal