Looking to buy new puppy from breeder

[teddybeans]

@flyers123 keep us posted on what you eventually get.  It may not be in days or weeks, or even months as reputable breeders usually have a waiting list.  But i'm sure one day you will find the perfect one if it was meant to be!  good luck.

 

 

[flyers123]

On 15/06/2019 at 10:59 AM, sheena said:

Questions to ask the breeder?  Depending on the breed of course, what health & genetic tests have been done on the parents? Is pup going to be on Limited or Mains Register (if neither, run a mile)? What is their policy on taking the pup back if things/circumstances change?  Most good breeders will insist that the puppy/dog be returned to them in this case. 

Questions from Breeder?  Have you owned this breed before? Do you have a fenced yard? How high are the fences? Are you prepared to desex your dog if on Limited Register.  How much time will you put into training/hanging out with the dog? Will the dog be alone all day?

Heaps more...

Thank you Sheena for your generous help.

 

Anyone else would like to chip in more questions?

 

Questions to ask the breeder?

 

Questions from Breeder?

[flyers123]

Hi All, A question comes to my mind. I mentioned earlier about this website Koaas that had picture of German Shepherd with puppy next to it. Is this website not reliable or the ad in particular that I should not trust on any websites similar to Koaas, Gumtree? How can I check if a website is legit?

[teddybeans]

35 minutes ago, flyers123 said:

Hi All, A question comes to my mind. I mentioned earlier about this website Koaas that had picture of German Shepherd with puppy next to it. Is this website not reliable or the ad in particular that I should not trust on any websites similar to Koaas, Gumtree? How can I check if a website is legit?

The websites are legit but you can have anyone sell stuff on it.  The sellers may not be legit, some are fraudsters in fact that scam people.  I once had someone contact me on gumtree wanting to buy something I posted, then came really weird requests saying they were overseas and couldn’t get me the money so request that I wire money over to them and they will pay me back when they are back in Australia.  All didn’t make sense at all.

 

then I had someone else on another ad contact me in one email asking if I could lower my price and then in subsequent emails offer me an amount more than what I had asked for.  All sounded fishy so I reported to gumtree and they confirm they were scams they are already aware off.  

 

gumtree can have very dodgey people behind the accounts.  So that’s why I say for puppies to avoid it and seek better sources.  Gumtree is fantastic for selling second hand goods, but in my opinion not puppies.  I haven’t used kooas before but think it’s probably the same level as gumtree in terms of reliability. 

 

once you decide, ask the breeder lots of questions, a good Breeder will generally respond with detailed responses and you could most of the time gauge from their response whether they are dodgey or not.  An unethical Breeder won’t respond or address your concerns, in which case, move on.

 

Edited June 17, 2019 by teddybeans

[teddybeans]

Don’t forget you can also get feedback from people on this forum.  If it’s a genuine breeder, people on this forum would have dealt with them.  I think there are quite a few good breeders that frequent this forum.

[teddybeans]

Sorry I also forgot, genuine breeders will also offer you papers for the puppy- like a certificate with the family tree and bloodlines.  A lot will mandate you desex your dog and doing that they will return a portion of your money.

 

Questions are two way, don’t be shocked if the breeder asks you questions too!  In fact be shocked if they don’t ask you any.  They want to know you are a responsible owner and have a good home for the dog.

[flyers123]

8 minutes ago, teddybeans said:

Don’t forget you can also get feedback from people on this forum.  If it’s a genuine breeder, people on this forum would have dealt with them.  I think there are quite a few good breeders that frequent this forum.

Everyone in here is awesome and so helpful. I am glad to be part of this community.

 

Thank you once again.

[Boronia]

There is some info here https://www.petsecure.com.au/pet-care/is-it-ok-to-buy-a-dog-online/

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2017/05/how-to-buy-a-puppy-without-getting-scammed/

and this ABC link has some helpful facts, especially the 'I used a tool called a reverse-image search, which checks to see if a picture has been posted somewhere else on the internet'. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-21/puppy-scammers/8943034

and, if you are interested in a particular pup perhaps ask here and give the location of the owner and the advertisment to make sure they are legit.

[teddybeans]

24 minutes ago, Boronia said:

I used a tool called a reverse-image search, which checks to see if a picture has been posted somewhere else on the internet'.

This is a good idea!

[Rebanne]

if it is a GSD you are wanting then I suggest you join your state club and ring/email the puppy officer. I wouldn't say 100% of members would do the right thing but most would, otherwise they get thrown out. Also, as the club can be political, there are very good breeders who are not members. But you want one that can show proof of their membership of an ANKC state body, proof of their dogs papers and health tests.

[flyers123]

On 18/06/2019 at 1:32 PM, Rebanne said:

if it is a GSD you are wanting then I suggest you join your state club and ring/email the puppy officer. I wouldn't say 100% of members would do the right thing but most would, otherwise they get thrown out. Also, as the club can be political, there are very good breeders who are not members. But you want one that can show proof of their membership of an ANKC state body, proof of their dogs papers and health tests.

Thank you all for your time and generous thoughts. I will certainly consider all the advice that I have been given here. Can I post the pictures here once I have got the puppy?

[Rebanne]

3 hours ago, flyers123 said:

Thank you all for your time and generous thoughts. I will certainly consider all the advice that I have been given here. Can I post the pictures here once I have got the puppy?

yes puppy pictures are a must

 

[Chilldawg]

Sorry, I am looking to reopen this thread as I have further questions

 

I am currently looking at a dog from a breeder who claims to be registered (but with the MDBA) not with dogs NSW or any other group who run actual check ups

 

I understand that breeders don't want every tom, dick and Harry visiting their home. But am I being unreasonable to insist that I will not purchase a puppy unless she allows me to pick it up from her site, not from a random meeting place. 

 

She cited the risk of parvo and infection control. But all pups would be 9 weeks old, I was willing to change shoes / wash on arrival or bring brand new shoes. And she claims to socialise the puppies with her 19 grandchildren. But that they "treat hygiene like second nature" 

 

So question for the honest, ethical dog breeders. Do you have strict level of keeping people out I mean. At this point i would have paid her 4k. So a lot money if I'm trying to just get a look to steal dogs.

 

She answered all my questions about #of litters, dog retirement and puppy socialisation perfectly. But let's be real. Anyone can say anything

 

How does the average person work out which breeder is the real deal and not just a dodgy gumtree seller with a fancy website

[asal]

MY boss has vintage cars, he will NEVER let a buyer come to his home.

 

No one in their club will allow anyone to come to their home to pick up parts they have decided to sell.

 

strangely many advertising sites tell sellers to always meet in a public place, never allow a buyer to know where you live.

 

Yet the dog world makes it a must that a person you know nothing about, other than the initial contact phone call or email the RIGHT.  to expect to come to your home, inspect everything and assess whether in their opinion

 

 you are qualified to be considered ETHICAL.

 

decades ago, the ROYAL NSW Canine Council... now rebranded DOGS NSW. ceased printing the names and addresses of breeders in their Litter notifications page. it had been standard practice for decades.

 

Why?  because once thieves realised there was easy money to be made taking entire litters in many cases the parents too. what was on the seat of one of the theives arrested with a vehicle packed with stolen puppies and dogs?   Yep. A copy of the Canine Journal, folded at the Litter registration page with circles around the planned pickups for that day.

 

So you see now its blackmail.

 

"So question for the honest, ethical dog breeders. Do you have strict level of keeping people out I mean. At this point i would have paid her 4k. So a lot money if I'm trying to just get a look to steal dogs."

 

So your options are few.

 

to say no, is to automatically be interpreted as to self label as "dishonest, unethical"

 

Open your gates and pray.  because the alternative is you have just convicted your self of not being an "honest, ethical dog breeder"...

 

I found prayers and thoughts, were little comfort

 

when the day arrives to learn that lovely couple who came to see the puppies, or in some cases not a clue who seemed so nice, quite obviously was not as they seemed and you

 

 come home or wake up to

 

 discover some one has come back and "rescued" (its the new word now) who ever they decided will  be gone to enrich their lives............or sell ..........which ever they decide.

 

Ive had pure bred dogs since 1978 and over that period  . NO? Correct that to since "ETHICAL" MEANS they have to come to your home.. no meeting them at McDonalds or Kentucky fried chicken for a meet and greet with who you are happy to let them inspect. I used to take , mum, dad, the kids and any grandparents who wanted to come for the ride.

 

interestingly one year, I had a visit from the RSPCA after one such. The concerned potential puppy family had dutifully taken down my licence plate and informed them they were very concerned about the welfare of the dogs as I was living in the car with them... So our kind, helpful police,

 

gave the rspca my home address.........only I seemed to consider it odd that although the police

had given them my home address.........surely inadvertantly thus  proving I lived in a house?   They still came out to inspect the place and my car to ensure I wasn't living in it..

 

 

So since the new age and new rules.

 

three disappeared while my husband was working on the car engine..........he heard the people stop at the gate and admire the puppies . he thought they were going up to the house to see me.

but three dogs and puppy were gone when they left. but as he had not seen them and they sure did not knock on my door neither of us have a clue who they were.  

 

another I went out when I heard the car stop at the gate.... but they zoomed off at terrifying speed as I approached the car. only as I walked back did I two puppies were missing. to nick in that quick and grab and back to the car they obviously knew where they were kept. so again, repeat visitor.

 

came home from shopping to have my neighbour tell me a lady had gone into my place and when questioned said she was out of petrol and looking to make a phone call.  she advised her I wasn't home and welcome to use her phone.. she did think it odd she was wearing a lumber jacket in the middle of summer.

it was only when it checked my dogs discovered three , four week old puppies were gone.

 

nothing like a bit of excitement of wondering who will disappear today.

 

If you decided to breed, remember, being a masochist might help you cope better, or perhaps derive more enjoyment from your hobby

 

 

 

Welcome to the new age. if you have animals you are guilty, UNTIL proven innocent

 

Edited January 27, 2020 by asal

[Rebanne]

I let people come to the house. But I know some who don't.  Personally, if the pups were close enough to view easily, then I would want to see them. 

[_PL_]

Personally I wouldn't want a whole bunch of people coming and going from my home with an open door policy for play dates or shopping trips just to be considered an ethical breeder. Or bringing in zoonotic conditions that can endanger whole litters or infect the yard.

Even in rescue, I don't do it that way anymore (at first I thought that's just what you did!). But my home is my home, it's for me, my dogs and my family. 

Both my pedigree bubs were from long distance, it's a matter of trusting the lines, doing your homework and having good communication with your breeder. 

 

And to be honest, as Asal pointed out, I believe with the thieving going on, it's too scary to have strangers around.

[Diva]

For pick up at nine weeks I would let you come to my house. I would expect you to want to, too. But by then I would have had many conversations with you and checked you out thoroughly. I would not agree to sell you a puppy if I didn’t feel confident enough in you to let you visit at that age.  But I don’t allow visits at my home before I have done that due diligence on the buyer. 

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[Dogsfevr]

Collection and viewing strictly at our house ,very easy to set up a safe area to clean and keep it safe.

Given most breeders h@ve already screened potential persons we deal with the risks .

 

We generally do a meet and greet out the front and go from there .

As a breeder I can’t expect a buyer to meet my strict criteria and then blow them off by not allowing them at my home .

Absolutely there not getting free range to be a sticky beak but there entitled to get a basic idea of the type of home it’s been raised in .

When people come to look there not fully vaccinated so I am not willing to take a litter of pups to some random place that is a risk to the pups or travel in weather that is highly irresponsible to the pups .
Easy enough to buy a cheap surveillance cameras for when people come out .

 

As a breeder no I would not hand $4 k over without some knowledge and viewing .
 

There pup may be important to them but your $4 k is important to you 

 

Edited January 27, 2020 by Dogsfevr

[asal]

just posted on faceplant

 

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In light of this... what details do you take before allowing someone to view your puppies.... I’m seriously lost for words about this situation 

 

 

 

• Take a photo of the car they are in and before showing puppies ask to see their license and take a photo. All The information you need to give to the police

   
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    N B  Great idea, I'm only 5 mins away with someone coming to look at a pup today and this post is the first thing to make me nervous

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  • T  if you ask to see license and they are unhappy for you to take a photo, say you are not happy for them to see your puppies.

     
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  M  Not the first time it has happened
  I am very reluctant to allow strangers into my house or give address
  After weeks of messages and then phone conversations, if they have passed my radar I then meet them at a dog show and they can see the pups then. They don’t get to take the pups then.
  If possible I do a home inspection after that
  If they are ok then I allow them to come to my home

   

   
   
• L W The only people I allow to view my puppies are prospective buyers and known friends. I have name, address, contact details and alternative contact details of all prospective buyers. I must say I'm glad I don't live in suburbia, such an awful thing to happen.   "

   

   

   

   

   

   

  Well remember the headlines a few years ago, a Chihuahua puppy was stolen at gun point.

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

Edited January 28, 2020 by asal