Dog barking in the morning.

[Tassie]

A few other thoughts.   At 4.5 months she is still a baby, so lasting through the night may still take a bit longer.         I am definitely not a dog park fan .. and while you're concentrating on getting her to recall reliably .. there are too many distractions there for her level of training.   (Also be aware that when they're sniffing, dogs are able to recruit other parts of their brain to the sniffing task, so they literally can't pay attention as well as usual. .. 

 

Have you thought about having an x pen for her instead of a crate.   It could have a bed and/or a crate inside but would give her more room to move while still being safe.

 

And I would ditch ball play, unless it's a soccer ball.  The most important part of play IMHO is the relationship building with the human ... so it needs to be interactive play,  Ball throwing is primarily self-reinforcing for the dog, and is the dog training you to a large extent.

[Gwp_owner]

10 hours ago, juice said:

So she is in her crate all night then 8 hours a day too ? ( 4 hours in morning and 4 in afternoon ) . Poor dog , why isn’t she outside all day , your neighbours are up then ? 

she sleeps in her crate at night yes, I dont want her to have free roam of the house at night thats just daft or a closed room. she is asleep at that time, its fine. and it would be totally irresponsible for me to leave a 4 month old puppy outside un supervised all day to possibly ingest something she shouldn't or possibly dig under a fence and escape, I certainly hope you don't leave your 4 month old puppy like that.. or are you comparing your grown dog to a 4 month pup?

 

I think people are not taking in the info or I haven't explained it better. 

 

this is a 4 month old puppy, she has been on this earth 16-17 weeks. so.. 

 

- no she can't stay outside all day in Tasmanian winter at this age. 

- when she is older she will not use the crate, she will then go to ( whilst im out ) a purpose built kennel and run outside. the crate is ONLY while she is young pup. 

- she is in her crate for two 4 hour periods during the day, with Radio, blankets, toys, kong with treats for stimulation and watched via webcam. when I check she is mostly asleep.

- I work rotas so this week she has only had that schedule for 3 days since last Saturday other days she is out of crate all day supervised.

- we train at home in the garden and take trips to the dog park only for a change of scenery and for socialising.

- she has a well rounded life with plenty of freedoms when we are around. and when we are not for those short periods she is well looked after has all the things needed to keep her entertained, warm and safe. 

 

10 hours ago, Rebanne said:

can she do all this reliably in the dog park?

yes she can but like I have said its hit and miss as expected for a young pup with distractions but if its just us she is usually pretty good. my local park is usually empty and is a great space with water swell which she loves diving in. 

 

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so instead of bashing me as if my dog lives in a prison and assume it will do for the rest of its life instead look at the original questions. 

 

- my dog only barks while im in a shower -

* I now let her walk around the house while I shower and deal with any mess she makes when im out. problem now solved.

 

- my dog is hit and miss with recall - 

im after hints on how people have trained theirs.. maybe learn a new technique. not after accusing me of training her too much and not letting her be her. 

we may do 15 - 30 mins of training a day, which is broken up over play sessions. 

 

 

 

[The Spotted Devil]

I don’t let my pups run amok either but a large pen with plenty of interactive toys is better than a crate during the day which is simply too restrictive for 8 hours even with a break. Check out Vebopet if you are in Australia - I use their pens for my litters and older pups. Just lent my big pen to one of my puppy people actually! 

 

I love crate training and I do crate my pups at night until they are mature enough to sleep on the bed with the rest of us...including adult dogs and cats. 

 

Recalls? Well! I’m a scientist with dog behaviour as one of my specialties. I have a Dalmatian and working Gundogs and I will tell you that recall training never ends. I am a good trainer and I didn’t have a reliable recall on my youngster until she was 2 years old. All using positive reinforcement based training. Check out Susan Garrett Recallers for the ultimate skills! Dog parks I hate. But appropriate socialisation I love! 

[Gwp_owner]

19 minutes ago, The Spotted Devil said:

I don’t let my pups run amok either but a large pen with plenty of interactive toys is better than a crate during the day which is simply too restrictive for 8 hours even with a break. Check out Vebopet if you are in Australia - I use their pens for my litters and older pups. Just lent my big pen to one of my puppy people actually! 

 

I love crate training and I do crate my pups at night until they are mature enough to sleep on the bed with the rest of us...including adult dogs and cats. 

 

Recalls? Well! I’m a scientist with dog behaviour as one of my specialties. I have a Dalmatian and working Gundogs and I will tell you that recall training never ends. I am a good trainer and I didn’t have a reliable recall on my youngster until she was 2 years old. All using positive reinforcement based training. Check out Susan Garrett Recallers for the ultimate skills! Dog parks I hate. But appropriate socialisation I love! 

thanks for the helpful reply. 

 

we did try a play pen with her crate inside so she could go in and out. but she is a climber and easily scaled the pen a few times. luckily since she is watched via webcam we were able to come home to sort her out. 

 

her crate at the min allows her to sit and stand as well as be able to turn and fully lay down stretched out with space to spare. can't wait for her to end up in the outside kennel soon. 

 

she does get lots of positive love when she does perform a recall. but good to know its a long learning curve. she took to the other commands so easily and quickly I was just thinking I was missing something with the recall training. 

 

Ive been around dogs all my life including sheep dogs and gun dogs ( bird dogs and deer dogs ) so know how to control trained adult dogs. just never had a pup of my own. 

 

the gun dogs where great growing up and were a joy to shoot with, but they live back in the UK. You could control them by just hand signals and a pip on a whistle which was great. 

my end goal is to get willow to work as a gundog, but I know that part of the training is a little way off yet. although I have managed to get her to have a very soft mouth and place the ball back in my hand after retrieving which I suppose is a start.

 

[juice]

So she will go from being in a crate for 8 hours a day to a kennel run , great . Still no freedom to smell and explore , what’s the excuse for not letting her have free range then ? Or scared she will trash the garden ? Stuffed dog might have suited you better . And yep all my dogs went outside as pups , beds , kennels , coats . 

[Rebanne]

1 hour ago, Gwp_owner said:

yes she can but like I have said its hit and miss as expected for a young pup with distractions but if its just us she is usually pretty good. my local park is usually empty and is a great space with water swell which she loves diving in. 

 

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so instead of bashing me as if my dog lives in a prison and assume it will do for the rest of its life instead look at the original questions. 

 

 

 

 

 

re the recall, as you say this is a baby puppy, and she can do other stuff but it's hit and miss, so the recall won't be any different. Set her up for success. Take your roast chook down to the park with you and start by only asking her to recall if she is already coming towards you, don't ask her while she is sniffing. Eventually you'll be able to recall off her sniffs if you work at it but it isn't going to happen yet. Most people have not "bashed" you. I crate train my dogs/pups but I also let them have free reign in the back yard. No reason she couldn't be out now if you had the kennel and dog run you want. I've had Greyhound pups out much younger then yours, in the depths of winter. In fact mine sleep outside when I am at work (nightshift) with a couple of coats and good sheltered beds.

[Gwp_owner]

21 minutes ago, juice said:

So she will go from being in a crate for 8 hours a day to a kennel run , great . Still no freedom to smell and explore , what’s the excuse for not letting her have free range then ? Or scared she will trash the garden ? Stuffed dog might have suited you better . And yep all my dogs went outside as pups , beds , kennels , coats . 

That fact I don't want a 16 week pup left alone outside during winter is wrong in your eyes ?!? Right ok. 

 

So when I return home and it's got a twisted stomach full of bark and stones that's perfectly fine.

 

And eventualy being in a large kennel and run with grass for a few hours is wrong !?! 

 

So when are you going to patition to shut down the RSPCA kennels and dog shelters as their dogs are in smaller concrete kennels all day all night !...

 

 

 

 

[Gwp_owner]

9 minutes ago, Rebanne said:

re the recall, as you say this is a baby puppy, and she can do other stuff but it's hit and miss, so the recall won't be any different. Set her up for success. Take your roast chook down to the park with you and start by only asking her to recall if she is already coming towards you, don't ask her while she is sniffing. Eventually you'll be able to recall off her sniffs if you work at it but it isn't going to happen yet. Most people have not "bashed" you. I crate train my dogs/pups but I also let them have free reign in the back yard. No reason she couldn't be out now if you had the kennel and dog run you want. I've had Greyhound pups out much younger then yours, in the depths of winter. In fact mine sleep outside when I am at work (nightshift) with a couple of coats and good sheltered beds.

I'll start to do that with the recall. 

 

I was just worried as she still hasn't had her full wire coat come In she would be too cold. 

 

I will transition her outside sooner then. 

[The Spotted Devil]

One of my pups from my last litter is a climber too. Which is why I use the tallest most heavy duty pen from Vebopet. I’ve lent it to them as well as giving them more recommendations and he can’t scale it. 

[KobiD]

As I said earlier. Every situation is different.. You don't need to take others opinions so seriously, nor do you need to speculate about others ability because of your opinion. My puppy has been outside day and night, never crated at all since she was 10 weeks old, no cameras setup at all. I must be irresponsible!! We don't live in a cold climate, we don't live on acreage, we have a secure yard with areas she can dig, and toys to play with, along with multiple shaded areas and her bed. Of course there is potential for her to get into a bad situation still, but there always is and always will be.. In human raising there is a term called helicoptering.. I feel it's the same with dogs. Would I leave our puppy unsupervised inside... not even for 5 minutes now at 18 months. Our dog was always going to be an outside pet. I spend a lot of time outside in the garden, playing with the kids, working in the shed. I started with what I wanted the norm to be from the start.  

 

From what I understand you have her crated based on your situation and what you feel is best.

[KobiD]

In terms of the training, hit and miss equates to not reliable. One skill can be be somewhat reliable in one situation, but not in another.. dogs don't generalise well so it's important to (re)train the skills in a variety of environments. If you notice your dog has taken a step back with something (can't focus, distracted, ignoring, etc) then you need to take a step back in that situation as well to build the reliability back in. Duration, Distance, and Distractions.

 

Some useful reading here: http://www.skysthelimitdogtraining.com/3-ds/

 

 

[Gwp_owner]

30 minutes ago, KobiD said:

In terms of the training, hit and miss equates to not reliable. One skill can be be somewhat reliable in one situation, but not in another.. dogs don't generalise well so it's important to (re)train the skills in a variety of environments. If you notice your dog has taken a step back with something (can't focus, distracted, ignoring, etc) then you need to take a step back in that situation as well to build the reliability back in. Duration, Distance, and Distractions.

 

Some useful reading here: http://www.skysthelimitdogtraining.com/3-ds/

 

 

Thank you for the link. 

That's why I started taking her to the dog park to have a verity of environments. Thanks for the advice. 

[Gwp_owner]

36 minutes ago, KobiD said:

As I said earlier. Every situation is different.. You don't need to take others opinions so seriously, nor do you need to speculate about others ability because of your opinion. My puppy has been outside day and night, never crated at all since she was 10 weeks old, no cameras setup at all. I must be irresponsible!! We don't live in a cold climate, we don't live on acreage, we have a secure yard with areas she can dig, and toys to play with, along with multiple shaded areas and her bed. Of course there is potential for her to get into a bad situation still, but there always is and always will be.. In human raising there is a term called helicoptering.. I feel it's the same with dogs. Would I leave our puppy unsupervised inside... not even for 5 minutes now at 18 months. Our dog was always going to be an outside pet. I spend a lot of time outside in the garden, playing with the kids, working in the shed. I started with what I wanted the norm to be from the start.  

 

From what I understand you have her crated based on your situation and what you feel is best.

Sorry if it came across at directed at you. 

 

It was mainly Juice who said I shouldn't have a dog as I wont do what she has done with her dogs, that has annoyed me. There are a variety of reasons I don't want her loose in the garden.  She has a habit of eating anything she finds on the floor, bark chips, stones. My garden has plenty of that. I'm worried I would come home to a sick pup or worse.  The other reason is I started her outside when it was warmer. But she barked all day. I have a woman who is a nurse and somtimes works nights who lives behind me. I just don't want to keep her awake.  I don't want to be one of those neighbors 

 

I am thinking of moving her outside to the kennel now. But I might put it in our workshop during winter. Tas is a little colder than QLD ;)

I have a roll of astroturf that I could put down for texture.  

The run is large but the workshop is pretty big so might work well. Like you I spend a lot of time in there so might work well to keep her out of my feet when working also. 

 

I think for now she will be in her crate for her morning part. Then go to the outside in the afternoon. I feel the nurse will probably be awake at that point so the odd bark session won't hurt till the dog is climatised to the new space. 

 

I tried her out of the crate last night and just had a dog bed out for her. She seemed ok no night barking and no destruction ( I did move a lot of things out of reach) but woke up to some puddles. So she is still not there yet on holding her bladder. So I will crate her at night as she let's me know when she needs to go when in there. And puts herself back in afterwards. I have it covered so I feel like it's very den like for her. 

 

[KobiD]

No offence taken here! It's just the nature of the internet. There will be people who agree and those who disagree.. Raising a pup is an intensive exercise. They grow and change at such a rapid rate that it can feel like just as you start to get one thing sorted you're faced with another challenge. Same as kids, but crammed into a much shorter time frame!

[PANDI-GIRL]

Hi  @Gwp_owner  I think everything with  Willow is going so well, what a great job you have done so far with training her , She knows so much at  4 months old. 

 

Some people on here love drama &  being negative  with new members,   My mum is from  the UK ,  and calls this the   CHAV,  attitude .   

 

I hope you stay on this Forum it's  nice when new people share their dog stories here.   

 

 

[Rebanne]

1 hour ago, Gwp_owner said:

. There are a variety of reasons I don't want her loose in the garden.  She has a habit of eating anything she finds on the floor, bark chips, stones. My garden has plenty of that. I'm worried I would come home to a sick pup or worse.  The other reason is I started her outside when it was warmer. But she barked all day. I have a woman who is a nurse and somtimes works nights who lives behind me. I just don't want to keep her awake.  I don't want to be one of those neighbors 

 

I am thinking of moving her outside to the kennel now. But I might put it in our workshop during winter. Tas is a little colder than QLD ;)

I have a roll of astroturf that I could put down for texture.  

The run is large but the workshop is pretty big so might work well. Like you I spend a lot of time in there so might work well to keep her out of my feet when working also. 

 

I think for now she will be in her crate for her morning part. Then go to the outside in the afternoon. I feel the nurse will probably be awake at that point so the odd bark session won't hurt till the dog is climatised to the new space. 

 

I tried her out of the crate last night and just had a dog bed out for her. She seemed ok no night barking and no destruction ( I did move a lot of things out of reach) but woke up to some puddles. So she is still not there yet on holding her bladder. So I will crate her at night as she let's me know when she needs to go when in there. And puts herself back in afterwards. I have it covered so I feel like it's very den like for her. 

 

One of the reason's she might be fascinated with bark chip etc is her exposure has been limited to that. Of course you don't want to come home to a sick dog and maybe, as a gun dog, she may never grow out of that habit, but more time outside, with supervision, might show her that it's all too boring.

 

I'm a nurse and work night shift and no, I am not awake in the afternoon, but if you knocked on my door and explained what you are doing I would be ok with that. I do think your pup is barking because she does not know how to be on her own.

 

I crate my pups at night for months. I don't give them free range until they are sleeping through the night for at least 8 hrs. And yep, moving stuff out of reach is very normal LOL

 

Get her a cheap dog coat or make one for this winter.

[Rebanne]

 

about 10 weeks old here, in March

 

12 weeks old here in April with their Mum

 

this was back in 2009

Edited May 26, 2018 by Rebanne

[Gwp_owner]

21 minutes ago, PANDI-GIRL said:

Hi  @Gwp_owner  I think everything with  Willow is going so well, what a great job you have done so far with training her , She knows so much at  4 months old. 

 

Some people on here love drama &  being negative  with new members,   My mum is from  the UK ,  and calls this the   CHAV,  attitude .   

 

I hope you stay on this Forum it's  nice when new people share their dog stories here.   

 

 

Than you for the support. 

 

I was regretting joining at one point. I'm a member of a few other forums for other subjects and love helping people out with my knowledge on those. Just a shame a few people have to ruin things. But generally people have been helpful with some ideas. 

 

I do miss the UK somtimes especially the shooting seasons where the gun dogs really come to life. 

 

Willow is so sharp. I can't believe how fast she picks things up. She now knows that she can't go in the bedroom and sits at the edge of the carpet and just looks in which is great. As growing up in the UK where most houses are 2 stories and dogs generally knew the stairs was a no go. It was interesting to teach a dog in a 1 storie home that certain rooms are a no go. 

 

But I have enjoyed watching her grow..  like a weed ! 

[KobiD]

When she barks while you're away what kind of bark is it? Is she crying for attention? Playfully barking with her toys? Fearfully barking at things (or sounds) she is unsure of? Does she do this when you are inside and she is outside but you're still home? What does she have to keep herself occupied?

 

If she's focussed on the woodchips and you don't like that, there is another training opportunity. Take her out and teach her to redirect to something more appropriate. Remember her instincts are to hunt. Her following her nose and exploring is part of who she is at a subconscious level too.

 

[Gwp_owner]

4 minutes ago, Rebanne said:

One of the reason's she might be fascinated with bark chip etc is her exposure has been limited to that. Of course you don't want to come home to a sick dog and maybe, as a gun dog, she may never grow out of that habit, but more time outside, with supervision, might show her that it's all too boring.

 

I'm a nurse and work night shift and no, I am not awake in the afternoon, but if you knocked on my door and explained what you are doing I would be ok with that. I do think your pup is barking because she does not know how to be on her own.

 

I crate my pups at night for months. I don't give them free range until they are sleeping through the night for at least 8 hrs. And yep, moving stuff out of reach is very normal LOL

 

Get her a cheap dog coat or make one for this winter.

I have spoken to her and before I got the pup I dropped a letter in my emidiate neibours letter boxes explaining that i was getting a dog and might be loud somtimes just to give them a friendly heads up. Which they loved.

 

She said it would be fine but was wondering if she was just being polite. 

 

She is outside at the mo running around. When I'm home she spends a lot of time outside with me or on her own for short times. Although she has lots of toys of various types.. hard/soft for teething. I think she just likes the texture of the bark. 

 

She will start living outside more now when I'm out from your advice. 

 

Did you make those dogs coats.. there great.