New puppy but existing ones not accepting

[giraffez]

My dog who is 8 hasn’t been properly socialised.  Recently my sister got a new puppy.  As soon as he sees him, he will bark and bark and bark and he will start panting and heart rate goes on overdrive. And he doesn’t stop.  Even if I sternly say no.

 

i don’t know how to get them to play, my other dog who is 9 is more accepting.  But once the other one starts to bark, he too will bark at the little fellow.  If he is alone with the puppy, he is relatively okay as I treat him heaps for good behaviour.

 

how can I get the other one to calm down?

 

The puppy is not scared at the barking and wants to play.

 

all males.

[Dogsfevr]

Look at it from this point of view ,your 90 yrs old &  your day revolves around looking after a 3 yr old & you ask advice how can we get on & enjoy our day more .
Simple fact most old dogs don't want to be harassed by a puppy ,even our older dogs here have a safe zone from puppies & they have grown up with many new generations but like all things that get older also start to not enjoy them & there patience & desire to tolerate lessons ,they start to feel overwhelmed & no control .
 

Puppy needs a play pen where the older dogs still have there life there normal & can experience puppy without fear /concern ,after that its short doses & also accepting that your oldies may simply not enjoy this pup they way you think they should or will

[persephone]

Accept that the elderly gentleman does not HAVE to put up with a puppy .he deserves to have his space , his peace & quiet ....

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And he doesn’t stop.  Even if I sternly say no.

  speaking sternly will never replace all the missing education/socialisation , and may just make him even more anxious .

neither of the adults HAVE to play with , or even say hello to the pup ..there is nothing in their contract which says so  ;) 
if you visit ..perhaps leave them home .
if pup visits ..leave your boys somewhere of THEIR choosing ..and leave pup in a crate /outside/wherever .It's their home first  

[giraffez]

Is it possible at all to calm the barking down.  I can keep them apart and don’t expect them to play but the adrenaline rush when my boy sees the slightest sight of the pup is disheartening 

[Papillon Kisses]

Do you live with your sister? My dog who is 12 has never met my parents’ dog who is 2. My dog has an anxiety disorder and is scared of dogs, so it’s not in his best interest to have to endure the stress of being around my parents’ dog. And the same goes for my parents’ dog, especially when he was a puppy, as puppies have precious brains that need lots of positive experiences with the world around them.

 

So my advice from the owner of one scared dog to another is please don’t force it. If you live together, use baby gates, pens, crates etc to keep them separate while you get help from a positive dog trainer. If not, leave them be. My mum would love our dogs to meet, but I have to put my dog’s wellbeing ahead of human wishes.

[JacAbik9]

5 hours ago, giraffez said:

Is it possible at all to calm the barking down.  I can keep them apart and don’t expect them to play but the adrenaline rush when my boy sees the slightest sight of the pup is disheartening 

The barking is an expression of his anxiety and stress. You can change that emotional state through counter-conditioning and desensitization; when the older dog sees the new puppy (from a distance at first) good things happen. Instead of telling him 'no', throw a celebration! Tell him what a good boy he is and how brave he's being. Give him lots of affection if he likes that sort of thing. And if you can, reserve his meals for any occasions where he'll see the puppy.

 

So, for example, the puppy is in a play pen in the backyard. You bring the adult dog out and as soon as he even notices the puppy, you start your praise and affection and give him a hand-full of food. Continue this until you've run out of food, then remove him from the area. If he thinks that he gets good things when the puppy is around - and he doesn't get those good things unless the puppy is around, he'll start changing his tune.  

[giraffez]

Thank you for all the responses.  We live seperately and they are sussing each other out between a baby gate when the pup comes over.

some very good tips provided.  Thanks

[jemappelle]

This is a link that has helped me with my Cav pup who gets super excited and screams at the sight of seagulls and kangaroos!  You have to make it a positive experience so the old boy relates the pup to nice things:

 

http://www.training-your-dog-and-you.com/Desensitizing_and_counter-conditioning.html