The Spotted Devil Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Actually I am a scientist. Dog and cat and livestock behaviour and welfare. I have even done Nutrition subjects as part of my degree. I stay up to date on peer researched articles too. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agota Jakutyte Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Dear ALL, Thank you for your messages, it really makes me super happy that all of you are conscious dog owners! But I want all of us to agree that IF I VALIDATE MY ANSWERS WITH LONG TERM SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHES, I want YOU TO BASE YOUR OPINION WITH SCIENCE TOO. Because now most of you just telling your opinion which is fine for discussion, but then do not appeal that we are FAKES/DO EVERYTHING FOR MARKETING.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 But you haven’t. Where is the PEER REVIEWED research that says dogs should be eating high salt and high fat diets? 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 18/11/2017 at 2:20 PM, Agota Jakutyte said: Dear Srappy, Monty & Persephone, Let me shortly describe the technology we use to make long-lasting/raw/ketogenic food. First of all, let us all agree what RAW really means. * RAW - Means that no food is heated above 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40 degrees Celsius). Foods are eaten fresh, dehydrated with low heat or fermented. ROCKETO is manufactured using old French “confit” technique when food is cooked slowly in fat with low temperature (under 40°C / 104°F) over a long period of time. After salting and cooking in the fat with low temperature, sealed and stored in a cool, dark place, “confit” can last for several months or years and still retain all nutrient features as before preparation. Well if it is not heated above 40 degrees Celsius then I suspect we don't need to get too excited about the product arriving in Australia as importation requirements include time and temperature heat treatment for meat based products - and from memory, the lowest temp (combined with longest time) allowed is 70 degrees. If a manufacturer cannot meet time and temperature then import permits cannot be granted. This is is a requirement of our bio security laws. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 No Raw means Raw not 'cooked in fat at 40degrees'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappi&Monty Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Plus what good would 40°C do? That’s just like leaving it out in the sun on any regular summer day... Its the perfect temperature for bacteria and microorganisms to thrive as well... especially awful stuff like the bacteria that causes botulism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Scrappi&Monty said: Plus what good would 40°C do? That’s just like leaving it out in the sun on any regular summer day... Its the perfect temperature for bacteria and microorganisms to thrive as well... especially awful stuff like the bacteria that causes botulism. that is what the fat and long cooking time helps with ... the conditions are not ideal for the growth of nasties . From what I have gleaned over the past few days is that this is a very old method of preserving food ... salting , then the slow cooking in fat( at temps up to, not exceeding 85Deg C) keeps moisture in the meat , breaks down connective tissue , and provides a shortish term storage life for the confit meat - the fat. ..and the cooking temp /salt help . Fruit confit is done in a heavy sugar syrup ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappi&Monty Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 @persephone Ohh right I forgot about the high fat content. And yes confit is very nice and juicy (French confit duck is very tasty and indulgent! ) Also the fat forms a sort of seal I’m pretty sure. (Like Pâté, it’s usually topped with melted butter or fat which solidified and forms an airtight seal in the ramiken to stop the pâté from oxidising.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Well you certainly opened a can of confit worms with this thread @Scrappi&Monty... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 To the people wondering if dogs can go into ketosis, check out keto pet sanctuary in America where they are helping treat many dogs with cancer with the help of a Keto diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen15 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) I know my westie wouldn't be able to eat this due to the fat content. Beef mince is too fatty and upsets his tum, so food cooked in fat would be a disaster. I've never seen the point of tinned food when it is so much easier, and significantly less stinkier, to feed fresh mince or meat. Edited November 21, 2017 by karen15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappi&Monty Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 8 hours ago, The Spotted Devil said: Well you certainly opened a can of confit worms with this thread @Scrappi&Monty... Oops. The ad caught my eye ok? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Alibi said: To the people wondering if dogs can go into ketosis, check out keto pet sanctuary in America where they are helping treat many dogs with cancer with the help of a Keto diet. Missing the point a bit. A 'keto' diet is a normal dog diet. I want to know if a) dogs actually go into ketosis and if they do is it a natural state for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) I just hope dog food is regulated in the country of manufacture. Edited November 21, 2017 by Diva 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 It doesn't really matter if it is or not. Fact is that regardless, it won't meet AU import laws so becomes a moot point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) On 20/11/2017 at 7:18 PM, Agota Jakutyte said: Dear ALL, Thank you for your messages, it really makes me super happy that all of you are conscious dog owners! But I want all of us to agree that IF I VALIDATE MY ANSWERS WITH LONG TERM SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHES, I want YOU TO BASE YOUR OPINION WITH SCIENCE TOO. Because now most of you just telling your opinion which is fine for discussion, but then do not appeal that we are FAKES/DO EVERYTHING FOR MARKETING.... This is a perfectly reasonable request. I think most if us here would definitely agree, and await such validation. But we would make the proviso that the long term scientific researches are specifically related to canines - in the part, discoveries regarding human (omnivorous) diet have been applied to non-omnivorous domesticated species such as dogs with sad effects. Edited November 22, 2017 by RuralPug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 8 hours ago, Danois said: It doesn't really matter if it is or not. Fact is that regardless, it won't meet AU import laws so becomes a moot point. It is not just Australian dogs I am concerned about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I've read about keto for dogs for the treatment of illness, disease, cancer and weightloss but not as maintenance, prevention or daily nutrition. I'm definitely one to watch new fads work themselves out and prove themselves before trying it so this is certainly interesting. I feed raw because I like the known benefits but specifically that it is fresh, there has been no process other than mixing/mincing of the product, and I know exactly what I put in his mixes. Even the dry I feed is Australian made because I don't want radiated food. @Agota Jakutyte - do you even plan to release in Australia? And if so, given bio security laws, has a site been found to manufacture this food? @Danois - thanks for the facts! knew you would be able to provide the quick stats. Do you know if these laws apply to NZ imported too? I have occasionally used K9 Naturals given they're only coming from across the water... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 @Panto - as far as I can recall, it is the same rules that apply regardless of origin of the import as it is the Biosecurity regulations re time and temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 This thread is odd. Why are we talking about a food that isn't even available here. Plus how did the owner appear so quickly in this thread. I guess they could be using an internet alert, but all a bit odd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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