Scrappi&Monty Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Papillon Kisses said: Agreed. And Phyl, it may also make people wary, as it may come across that you have not properly considered whether a particular dog or breed is right for you and that's not good for the dog. You are making an important decision about a family member that will hopefully be with you for 10 years or so. Be patient. Not all dogs are the same, so even if you find one it may not be appropriate for you. Remember the dog's needs should come first not yours. Also the problem you had with your male cat was a behaviour issue specific to that particular cat. It does not transfer to dogs in general or boy dogs specifically. The only times my boy dog has urinated in the house has been when he's had a urinary tract infection. He has never marked in the house. Yes, that's mostly a cat thing. I have 2 male dogs who have NEVER toileted in the house since they were housetrained. Our eldest dog we got as a 12wk rescue puppy, he was 100% toilet trained within weeks and I remember taking him to Tamworth and we brought him to the markets to socialise him a bit and there wasn't any grass up the whole main street. The little fella (4mths old) held it for ages until we got to the end of the street and there was a little tiny patch of grass which he quickly ran over to haha. In 2015 we got flooded and had to evacuate, only one motel was kind enough to let us bring our small dog in, and we had to leave him in the bathroom. It was pouring rain for 3 or 4 days solid and every time we took Scrappi out to go to the toilet he would refuse. I think he did one little wee over the course of 2 days. Haha he's very particular. Edited April 23, 2017 by Scrappi&Monty Ooh! Just saw. Congrats on puppy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I forgot to say it is an absolute MUST to share photos of your baby girl with us!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 OMG. .....!!!! I am so excited for you. You have found yourself one beautiful mix of little dog. At 12 weeks this little one is going to be such a bundle of fun, curiosity, rejoicing in being alive. . Can't wait to see pix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) I hope you & your new doggie have a great life together. I don't want to be a wet blanket...but just a caution. Was the sale a reply to your Gumtree ad? If so, check documentation of the doggie being offered. Like, where did the girl purchase her from originally? My (small) breed's rescue folk have come across people offering young small breed dogs accompanied by 'folksy' stories like the person's only acquired the youngster for 2-3 weeks, but has developed shocking allergy so youngster must go...for a sizeable sum that's claimed to be original purchase price (or close). Further delving, like asking for documentation including name of original breeder-seller, revealed the advertiser was an agent acting on behalf of a puppy farmer. 'Folksy' story false. I trust this is not the case for your new doggie. Best wishes for a great little pet to share your lives. Edited April 24, 2017 by mita 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yes the puppy farmers are very good at placing dogs in false homes to sell . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Phyl has said that the seller was inundated with calls so it was her ad that Phyl replied to not vice versa. So quite unlikely to be a puppy farmer as pup is 12 weeks already. Most likely being a situation where a buyer has realised that puppy is not best suited to them or a change in circumstances so they can no longer keep puppy. I know that we all would have expected such a seller to have returned the dog to the breeder first - but poodle cross breeders are quite unlikely to take the puppy back (if they can even be traced LOL) Just my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyl. Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Little lady has arrived, gorgeous but VERY tiny. Hope she grows a bit, Only 12 weeks old. Happy day. Moodle | Designer Dog Info https://designerdoginfo.wordpress.com/designer-breeds/moodle/ The Moodle is a hybrid breed that is developed by crossing a Toy Poodle with a Maltese. Moodles are becoming one of Australia's most popular Thanks folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 They can call it whatever they like, Maltipoo or Moodle or whatever, but it isn't a breed, it's a cross bred dog. Don't mean to spoil your happy day, but.... These so called "designer dogs" are bred by puppy farms in cramped (and sometimes so much worse) conditions or backyard breeders with no health testing (you are getting the potential genetic problems of both breeds) and I think you will find that most people on here will say the same thing. Puppy farms are in it for the money, they over breed dogs, keep them in tiny cages....I could go on, but I don't think this is the time or place. You have a crossbred dog, a poodle cross or a maltese cross, and I do hope she doesn't have any of the common health problems most of them come with. I'd be getting a vet check asap, and I really hope she is the right dog for you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) They are not a hybrid breed , they are a mongrel crossbreed. If they were a breed they would come with papers, they are a mutt bred to make money, end of. And all the ones i have met are either batshit crazy or scared of everything. Edited April 24, 2017 by juice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Glad you're happy .. however , a poodle cross is NOT a pure breed of dog recognised by the Australian National Kennel Council . They are a trendy 'designer dog' , with a very trendy price tag , and most likely no way to trace the dog's ancestry back years & years ... a quote from the D O L pages .: First, exactly what is a pedigree pure bred dog and a designer dog? A Pedigree Pure Bred Dog has parentage that is known AND: Both parents are of the same breed. The breed is recognised by the Australian National Kennel Council (ANKC) or one of its Affiliates. The dog's breeders are registered to breed puppies. The parents of any puppies are registered with the ANKC or one of its affiliates to be bred from and It has a pedigree showing at least 3 generations of parentage A Designer Dog is many things including: A puppy resulting from the deliberate mating of two unrelated breed types. A puppy resulting from an accidental mating of two different breed types (note these dogs used to be called mongrels or cross breeds) A puppy resulting from the mating of two cross bred (or designer bred) dogs. A puppy resulting from the mating of one pedigree or pure bred parent and one cross bred or designer bred dog. A designer dog has not been bred by a registered breeder A designer dog is not pure bred or pedigree. LINK HERE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 There is such a thing as a Moodle. It is a Maltese mix with a poodle, a mutt, and a Moodle, all at once. Get over it. When people call my grooming shop to book in their Moodle, I know exactly what they are talking about. It's not hard. It is a Maltese type dog mixed with a poodle type dog. No, it's not a pure bred dog, but it is a mixed breed, a mutt, a Maltese x, a poodle x and a Moodle....all of the fore mentioned. Persoally id prefer my clients to use the generally recognised hybrid name for their mix/mutt, when describing their dog. The vast majority match what comes to my mind when I hear the hybrid name. Not all, but most. so for me there is absolutely a Moodle. While purists continue to alienate these dogs and their people just for using a hybrid descriptive name, they drive those buyers and owners further away from the pure breeds and their breeders. No, they are not purebreeds, but is the world really going to stop spinning if people call the moodles, or schnoodles or Cavoodle or whatever? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbedWire Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Interesting discussion. When I picked up my dog from the pound she was described as a pug x toy poodle and there was one of those names on her pen. Can't remember what it was. I didn't care. I knew I was getting at best a cross breed dog, or possibly a mixed breed. (My understanding is that a cross breed dog is from two purebred dogs of different breeds and a mixed breed has more than two breeds). Regrettably I can't afford to buy a purebred dog. I believe that my dog has other breeds in her as well because she has a double coat. Both poodles and pugs have single coats. I believe she has shih tzu in her mix. My point is that when you get one of those dogs you really have no idea what its parentage is. I wonder how many of the dogs sold as poodle crosses actually are half poodle. The sellers can describe any fluffy dog any way they choose and put an elaborate price tag on as well. caveat emptor Phyl I hope I'm not spoiling your day but I hope you did not pay big bucks for your puppy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, mingaling said: There is such a thing as a Moodle. It is a Maltese mix with a poodle, a mutt, and a Moodle, all at once. Get over it. When people call my grooming shop to book in their Moodle, I know exactly what they are talking about. It's not hard. It is a Maltese type dog mixed with a poodle type dog. No, it's not a pure bred dog, but it is a mixed breed, a mutt, a Maltese x, a poodle x and a Moodle....all of the fore mentioned. Persoally id prefer my clients to use the generally recognised hybrid name for their mix/mutt, when describing their dog. The vast majority match what comes to my mind when I hear the hybrid name. Not all, but most. so for me there is absolutely a Moodle. While purists continue to alienate these dogs and their people just for using a hybrid descriptive name, they drive those buyers and owners further away from the pure breeds and their breeders. No, they are not purebreeds, but is the world really going to stop spinning if people call the moodles, or schnoodles or Cavoodle or whatever? The dogs are cute .. made up names are not ;) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The point is they are a mongrel with the pricetag of a purebred dog . With a purebred you can see the parents and they have been health checked, rather than 2 dogs bred in horrible conditions and shipped out to petshops leaving their parents to carry on a life in misery just to make money, and the people who buy them just keep feeding the industry. I will not call them by their marketed name, they are mongrels. But people are stupid and will pay thousands for them, often way more than a purebred dog. I have no problem with mongrels, i have always owned them , but i wouldn't pay stupid money for one to line to greedy pockets of puppy farmers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 On 4/23/2017 at 0:29 PM, Phyl. said: Hi Persephone, I have sent in to Petrescue and asked for 'Dolly' and if not her, gave them my same story on wanting a little female dog. The only reason we are wary of boys is we had our old male cat pass, and he would pee on anything if we were not VERY careful with him (a bit of a nightmare actually) but we loved him and accepted him for 10 years. This Oriental was supposedly desexed when we got him (not a kitten) but apparently when we had him checked because of him completely acting like a male with his sister, they found one testicle was still further in, so only one had been removed. Both my husband and I have looked and looked and looked (my husband knows just how much I want a cuddly little dog) and he will love her to bits also. Thanks again folks. We got my last girl as a puppy - picked her from the litter and had her for about 15 years. She was a demon and never really house broken. She was trained, and knew, but when it suited her she'd pee - occasionally coming inside to do it! As she aged, she got worse. Then we got our boy from the pound as an adult - we think he was about 10. In the 3.5 years we had him, he had exactly one (wee related) accident - in his crate - and I firmly believe that was my fault - it was a very wet day and I should have insisted on a longer wee break before putting him in his crate. No real point there - I just wouldn't be picking a sex based entirely on a bad experience with a cat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, mingaling said: ... No, they are not purebreeds, but is the world really going to stop spinning if people call the moodles, or schnoodles or Cavoodle or whatever? They can call them whatever they like as long as they don't call them purebred. The general public thinks that "hybrid breed" means purebred, probably because they don't know that hybrid literally means a crossbreeding has occurred (check the dictionary). Designer breed names are a marketing ploy designed to fool the public into thinking they have a purebred. I have absolutely no problem with crossbreeds as such. Most of my fosters are crossbreeds. But I do object strongly to designer names. i have no objection to "type" names as used for example by the hunting crossbreeders: e.g. bull arab type, staghound type as there is no pretence that they are are purebreeds, just a descriptive name. Edited to add; Check the guidelines on this forum, it is against the rules to use designer names here. Can understand a complete newbie not knowing that but @mingaling you've been around long enough to know better. Edited April 24, 2017 by RuralPug 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyl. Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 What can I say other than this little darling is gorgeous and everything I wanted. We paid $1,500 plus $100 for petrol as the lady brought her to us, and I gave her an extra $50 for herself as we were so impressed with everything, came with heaps of goodies. The owner has been called o'seas in an emergency, and I saw all the papers for puppy, but the Vet. said at 12 weeks she may never make it on the plane to the destination. I feel SO blessed to have her. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 here's hoping that she is healthy and brings you joy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Phyl. said: What can I say other than this little darling is gorgeous and everything I wanted. We paid $1,500 plus $100 for petrol as the lady brought her to us, and I gave her an extra $50 for herself as we were so impressed with everything, came with heaps of goodies. The owner has been called o'seas in an emergency, and I saw all the papers for puppy, but the Vet. said at 12 weeks she may never make it on the plane to the destination. I feel SO blessed to have her. I am very happy for you and the little dog, Phyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yes I'm off to find a dog forum that appreciates dogs, all dogs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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