Lisey Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) I had Booker down the vet a week ago as noticed he was peeing a lot and when I looked closer noticed it was actually quite red. I brought a wee sample in for them and there said definitely an infection present. They gave him antibiotics which we haven't missed a single dose, I had been checking his pee and it was back to clear, but last night when he had only a little pee it was really red wee again, a fair bit of blood in it. He is going back to the vet this arvo, they checked over him well last time, he doesn't seem hurt and sick, but this isn't normal. He is entire and they did check prostate and said was all fine. How long has your male dog taken to get over a UTI? How do they get them in the first place? Edited December 13, 2016 by Lisey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Sometimes it is a genuine battle to ID the organism responsible. Not all antibiotics work against every bacterium type. Sometimes a medication will seem to work briefly but will be followed by a flare up of symptoms because a different bacteria has multiplied to fill the gaps left by the treated one! Other times it is a quick fix. If you have a less common or resistant bacterium, it can take months. The only way to be 100% sure which baddie you are fighting is to get a swab cultured which may take more time (and money). In the meantime you can try to aid the medication by modifying his diet so that the pH levels inside his bladder are less palatable to the bad guys. I have heard good reports of cranberry additives as well as non-filtered apple cider vinegar added to the diet. Don't forget to add probiotics after the course of antis to help repopulate the good bacteria in his gut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisey Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Sometimes it is a genuine battle to ID the organism responsible. Not all antibiotics work against every bacterium type. Sometimes a medication will seem to work briefly but will be followed by a flare up of symptoms because a different bacteria has multiplied to fill the gaps left by the treated one! Other times it is a quick fix. If you have a less common or resistant bacterium, it can take months. The only way to be 100% sure which baddie you are fighting is to get a swab cultured which may take more time (and money). In the meantime you can try to aid the medication by modifying his diet so that the pH levels inside his bladder are less palatable to the bad guys. I have heard good reports of cranberry additives as well as non-filtered apple cider vinegar added to the diet. Don't forget to add probiotics after the course of antis to help repopulate the good bacteria in his gut. Thanks - that's very helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Give cranberry tablets . Our old vet always made the comment vets didn't put the dogs on meds long enough for UTI & that as they just started to clear the course had finished & would often not be fully knocked off . Yes some meds suit certain areas better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisey Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Just picked Booker up from vet after his ultrasound, turns out he has bladder stones, & one in particular partial blocking his urine track. They given two options, surgery to remove or change his diet, & give some medication & hopefully they dissolve. Vet recommends surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchnauzerMax Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 There are different types of bladder stones. struvite (calcium oxalate?) stones cannot be dissolved. Complete blockage of the uretha is deadly. you cannot tell the type of stone without pathology. I would not be mucking around with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 There are different types of bladder stones. struvite (calcium oxalate?) stones cannot be dissolved. Complete blockage of the uretha is deadly. you cannot tell the type of stone without pathology. I would not be mucking around with this. 100% agree with this. It is essential to identify which type of stone (there are two main types) before a logical decision can be made on treatment. Talk to the vet ASAP to query what type of stone. You can't really choose a correct diet (to alter pH to prevent future stones forming) without knowing if they are struvite or calcium oxalate stones. Struvite are more likely to form if pH of the urine is above 7.0 and can usually be dissolved eventually, but it may take months. Calcium oxalate stones, on the other hand, are more likely to from in acidic urine and always need surgical removal. Because you vet has given you the option, they are probably struvite - the concern there is that large enough stones may cause a life-threatening blockage, especially in male dogs. One thing that you can do in either case is encourage him to drink extra fluids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisey Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Thanks guys. The vets don't know what type, as he needs to be off the antibiotics for a few days to be able to get a proper sample and then get it checked for what type. I'll call them today and book in the surgery, I don't want to risk it completely blocking. It just stresses me thinking of them opening him up. I did ask if he needed to be referred anywhere or if they would do it (just a regular vet practice) & they said fine to do there but if I wanted a referral they are happy to. What should I do? Go to the Qld vet specialists or let them do it? The vet was nice and said she has worked in emergency for 5 years prior to this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Thanks guys. The vets don't know what type, as he needs to be off the antibiotics for a few days to be able to get a proper sample and then get it checked for what type. I'll call them today and book in the surgery, I don't want to risk it completely blocking. It just stresses me thinking of them opening him up. I did ask if he needed to be referred anywhere or if they would do it (just a regular vet practice) & they said fine to do there but if I wanted a referral they are happy to. What should I do? Go to the Qld vet specialists or let them do it? The vet was nice and said she has worked in emergency for 5 years prior to this..... I wish you surgical success :) so much care is taken - your lad will be in good hands . I lost my gorgeous cat , Mr.Wilson, due to a very rapid onset blockage ... Edited December 13, 2016 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisey Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Thank you. I've just spoke to the normal vet and they would send him home that evening.....or refer to emergency if he didn't seem to be recovering well. Does that sound ok to have him home that night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Most small animals vets are quite experienced in this type of surgery. Better for him to come home where you can watch for adverse reactions than to be crated alone in the clinic at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Most small animals vets are quite experienced in this type of surgery. Better for him to come home where you can watch for adverse reactions than to be crated alone in the clinic at night. Definitely . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisey Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) I've thought about it and am more comfortable with the specialist. He is booked in tomorrow at the Qld Veterinary Specialists where they will keep him overnight and as it's an emergency vet also so someone is always there. They treated my other dog earlier this year and I was happy. I also called and spoke to a surgeon there who would be doing it, they may be able to do keyhole surgery if there's not too many..... And they also thought it should be done sooner rather than later as the one partially blocking his urethra could possibly have more block it completely and then his bladder could rupture. Edited December 14, 2016 by Lisey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I've thought about it and am more comfortable with the specialist. He is booked in tomorrow at the Qld Veterinary Specialists where they will keep him overnight and as it's an emergency vet also so someone is always there. They treated my other dog earlier this year and I was happy. I also called and spoke to a surgeon there who would be doing it, they may be able to do keyhole surgery if there's not too many..... And they also thought it should be done sooner rather than later as the one partially blocking his urethra could possibly have more block it completely and then his bladder could rupture. good news :) he will feel so much more comfortable ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Ourbreedcan be prone to them ,our vet has always done he surgery and home that day ,I wouldn't dream of leaving my dog overnight for this simple procedure but it's your choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I would go for keyhole Surgery. There are a number of benefits to having it done this way- you have a much better chance of clearing out all the stones because of the magnification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisey Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Booker is on the mend. They were able to do the keyhole surgery, removed around 10 stones. They will be cultured to find out what type and also been sent away to the states for analysis. Happy they are removed and he is feeing better already :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Booker is on the mend. They were able to do the keyhole surgery, removed around 10 stones. They will be cultured to find out what type and also been sent away to the states for analysis. Happy they are removed and he is feeing better already :) :D I bet he's feeling much relieved . Good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Great news! And once you know what type, then you can modify his diet to alter the pH in his bladder to decrease the chances of more forming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisey Posted December 26, 2016 Author Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) So I'm still waiting back to hear what type, etc. but I knew it would take a little. Think I need to book him back in for checkup though. He seems totally fine, blood all gone and peeing ok, but just today I've noticed a lump where the incision was (but it's not swollen skin, if that makes sense). And it's only when he lies on his back, it pokes out. When he is standing I can't feel/see anything but it doesn't look right. I've taken a photo to show the vet. I'll call and book him in tomorrow Edited to add - it's not his 'excited' lumps either, a bit further up...... Edited December 26, 2016 by Lisey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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