Victorian Gov To Introduce New Breeding Laws

[moosmum]

Re; The thumb nail-

Except WE have been the ones pawning our problems off on the Polies.

As dog breeders, we are responsible for seeing we demonstrate the possibilities. Regardless of what conditions you have to work with.

Not demand someone else create the conditions that favor us.

WE ask for legislation to govern the conditions of others, forgetting that we are ALL 'others' if we don't have common ground.

[asal]

Re; The thumb nail-

Except WE have been the ones pawning our problems off on the Polies.

As dog breeders, we are responsible for seeing we demonstrate the possibilities. Regardless of what conditions you have to work with.

Not demand someone else create the conditions that favor us.

WE ask for legislation to govern the conditions of others, forgetting that we are ALL 'others' if we don't have common ground.

Exactly, demanding the elimination of "puppy farmers" and too dumb to realise they will be caught up in the same net they backed being cast

[moosmum]

Yep.

K.Cs/C.Cs pretty much invented the 'Typing' of breeders in creating an Identity to be kept apart.

The list is as long as any diverse practices can be, and all and any 'Type' will be targeted as long as some breeders fail to meet expectations. Not based on their individual practices, but based on their 'Type' as breeders.

They all have the same purpose, in Dogs. They all have to meet the expectations of the same target, humanity.

But 'Typing' ensures the expectations humanity holds will not be based on their humanity,( or Caninitiy? :D ) but on the type of dog, or type of person.

Because One group won't accept commonality.

Any expectations we have of people, (or Dogs) is going to be compromised and limited if their differences are the focus of their identity and how we interact with them, and not our commonality in diversity. They ask we 'accept' their differences. Thats impossible with out sharing them. Its for THEM to accept their difference and take responsibility for it and how its perceived, not as types, but as individuals.

We can only learn to RECOGNIZE their difference, IF they allow familiarity and they can't because they won't recognize OUR difference to become familiar.

We can only accept what we can share. It seems we won't share dogs.

So its actualy ani-diversity to identify yourself as a type of person (or your type of dog) deserving of special consideration based on YOUR difference and not OUR commonality.

That creates a situation where others are expected to bear responsibility for your differences. In this case, The Govt. and you might not like their response.

You can't complain of being 'typed' if you claim a type as your identity.

Claiming a type as your identity blocks change or evolution of that identity because it requires an agreement of limitation to belong.

It doesn't allow for individual human potential.

So much for political correctness and Identity politics.

Edited November 7, 2016 by moosmum

[Steve]

My link new facebook policies Edited November 6, 2016 by Steve

[Simply Grand]

My link new facebook policies

Wow, is that for real? NO animals?

[*kirty*]

Isn't that just for the new FB marketplace?

[The Spotted Devil]

Isn't that just for the new FB marketplace?

Yes I think so.

[RuralPug]

Isn't that just for the new FB marketplace?

It is my understanding that Facebook commerce refers to not buy/swap/sell groups but to FB pages with the F-commerce app, where you click on the FB page itself to purchase from the business running the page.

It doesn't work very well by all reports, whch is why there are not very many pages with the app!

[Simply Grand]

Oh that makes sense, I couldn't find anything on the normal FB terms of use. I was thinking about how useful FB is for rescues and shelters and hoping it wasn't the case.

[asal]

My link new facebook policies

interesting, there are hundreds of fb groups that sell puppies i am told, I have certainly seen over a dozen selling various breeds myself if all the posts are indicative they sell like hot cakes. Not just dogs, fish, birds u name it

as for horses, heaps are being bought and sold on facebook as well

Edited November 6, 2016 by asal

[The Spotted Devil]

See above. Only for FB marketplace.

[asal]

"DOGS Victoria Members - THIS BILL WILL IMPACT YOU

Domestic Animals Amendment (Puppy Farm and Pet Shops) Bill 2016

Even if you only have one entire female, and you want to breed, this legislation will affect you. It will mean you must have a DAB issued from your council. If you do not, and you breed and sell your puppies, you will be breaking the law, with hefty fines as a penalty.

The consequences are even higher for those with over five dogs, with provisions to build concrete kennels and a strict code you’ll need to follow – and this will be law. Make no mistake you must abide by it or face serious repercussions, including fines and even jail sentences.

This Bill affects every single DOGS Victoria member, if you breed or not, it will reduce our ability to continue producing healthy, well socialised purebred puppies. Our dog spots, our shows our hobby will be destroyed.

We need your help to spread the message that this Bill is wrong and must be amended. We do not support puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders, so let’s spread the word that this Bill needs to get it right, first time, so it can target those that are doing the wrong thing. The power is in our numbers. Please support us in getting the word out that ethical, registered DOGS Victoria breeders should not be included in this one-size-fits-all legislation. This is what you can do:"

The idiots still dont get it. they are still backing the bill, just they want it to destroy "puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders" there is no way any bill is not going to target anyone it can identify. EVERY one who does not live in a high rise but a home with a backyard, has fertile female is by that very definition a "backyard breeder", registered with anyone or not.

one goes you all go, will they never GET THAT???

[Steve]

"DOGS Victoria Members - THIS BILL WILL IMPACT YOU

Domestic Animals Amendment (Puppy Farm and Pet Shops) Bill 2016

Even if you only have one entire female, and you want to breed, this legislation will affect you. It will mean you must have a DAB issued from your council. If you do not, and you breed and sell your puppies, you will be breaking the law, with hefty fines as a penalty.

The consequences are even higher for those with over five dogs, with provisions to build concrete kennels and a strict code you'll need to follow – and this will be law. Make no mistake you must abide by it or face serious repercussions, including fines and even jail sentences.

This Bill affects every single DOGS Victoria member, if you breed or not, it will reduce our ability to continue producing healthy, well socialised purebred puppies. Our dog spots, our shows our hobby will be destroyed.

We need your help to spread the message that this Bill is wrong and must be amended. We do not support puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders, so let's spread the word that this Bill needs to get it right, first time, so it can target those that are doing the wrong thing. The power is in our numbers. Please support us in getting the word out that ethical, registered DOGS Victoria breeders should not be included in this one-size-fits-all legislation. This is what you can do:"

The idiots still dont get it. they are still backing the bill, just they want it to destroy "puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders" there is no way any bill is not going to target anyone it can identify. EVERY one who does not live in a high rise but a home with a backyard, has fertile female is by that very definition a "backyard breeder", registered with anyone or not.

one goes you all go, will they never GET THAT???

Yep.

[RuralPug]

"DOGS Victoria Members - THIS BILL WILL IMPACT YOU

Domestic Animals Amendment (Puppy Farm and Pet Shops) Bill 2016

Even if you only have one entire female, and you want to breed, this legislation will affect you. It will mean you must have a DAB issued from your council. If you do not, and you breed and sell your puppies, you will be breaking the law, with hefty fines as a penalty.

The consequences are even higher for those with over five dogs, with provisions to build concrete kennels and a strict code you'll need to follow – and this will be law. Make no mistake you must abide by it or face serious repercussions, including fines and even jail sentences.

This Bill affects every single DOGS Victoria member, if you breed or not, it will reduce our ability to continue producing healthy, well socialised purebred puppies. Our dog spots, our shows our hobby will be destroyed.

We need your help to spread the message that this Bill is wrong and must be amended. We do not support puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders, so let's spread the word that this Bill needs to get it right, first time, so it can target those that are doing the wrong thing. The power is in our numbers. Please support us in getting the word out that ethical, registered DOGS Victoria breeders should not be included in this one-size-fits-all legislation. This is what you can do:"

The idiots still dont get it. they are still backing the bill, just they want it to destroy "puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders" there is no way any bill is not going to target anyone it can identify. EVERY one who does not live in a high rise but a home with a backyard, has fertile female is by that very definition a "backyard breeder", registered with anyone or not.

one goes you all go, will they never GET THAT???

Exactly right.

This why it is shortsighted for Dogs Vic to be campaigning for exemptions for their members. Instead, they should take the reasons they believe their members are better breeders than Joe Blow public and puppy farmers (reasons limited to community good and animal welfare, forget the 'purebred' angle in this case) and campaign for the bill to be redesigned to disallow puppy and kitten sales from anyone not trained to breed and rear litters ethically.

The Bill goes wrong in treating puppies and kittens like merchandise and forcing breeders to factory produce as a business. Instead, breeders should be licenced after demonstrating a knowledge of basic genetics, animal husbandry, the correct methods for rearing well socialized puppies and/or kittens and what information to give to puppy/kitten buyers and in what form it should be given. The cost to be covered by a once only test fee and then an annual or multi-annual licence fee (similar to drivers' licences). Dogs Vic breeders already have to pass an exam, lets do it properly from a community point of view. Being unlicenced, or losing your licence for proven infringements will mean you are not permitted to sell puppies or kittens under 12 months of age.

Additionally, a broodstock fitness test should be designed for each species and breeders MUST have each potential sire and dam undergo this test (probably best administered by vets) at their own expense. The purpose of certifying each and every sire and dam would be to exclude breeding from stock with deformities of structure or temperament. The devil is in the details here, but that is another battle.

The most important factor of all, the cost of implementing these laws (which the current Bill passes to municipal government) could be minimal if certified rescues were permitted to seize and rehome any puppies or kittens produced by unlicenced breeders. The likes of RSPCA and Lort Smith etc. would eagerly do all the investigating and happily report the unlicensed one to be fined heavily by the court system. Those members of the public currently frustrated by the deaf ears their attempts to report infringements of current legislation - advertising of underage and unmicrochipped puppies for example - would simply report to a certified rescue instead, who would leap to seize cute saleable babies.

Genuine accidental litters would still be seized by rescue, but no court case and fine for the owners (unless it happened more than once. )

That is what I think should happen. As stated, the devil is in the details but get the correct framework going and fight the details afterwards.

[grumpette]

For your information

A Letter From DOGS Victoria President, Mr Wayne Fleming (dated 10/11/2016)

I wanted to take a moment to write to you to provide an update on some of the latest developments on the Domestic Animals Amendment (Puppy Farm and Pet Shops) Bill 2016.

DOGS Victoria have been in several high level negotiations, the latest of those meetings on 8th November 2016, where DOGS Victoria were verbally advised by the Minister’s office that the Government was considering a number of changes to the Bill in response to concerns raised by DOGS Victoria and other stakeholders.

DOGS Victoria representatives were informed that instead of DABs, the changes would see all breeders be required to obtain a breeding permit, which will be made available through the local Councils. DOGS Victoria was informed that the Planning Minister would be consulted with a view to putting out Planning Guidelines that would "encourage" councils to grant “Recreational Breeder Permits” to people that had existing rights, i.e. people that had already been breeding without incident in any particular property. However, how ‘existing use’ will be defined, and what will happen to new breeders, is not clear.

Leaving aside the fact that the guidelines for Councils on how to administer the breeding permits are not written as yet, and will be linked to a central database, which has not yet been designed, our information is that breeders with permits will need to adhere to the Code that applies to DABs (or similar), noting this is being reviewed by the Department, albeit without stakeholder consultation and as such we are not aware of what it will contain.

As the permit framework will still be issued and managed by Councils, our concerns regarding transparency, consistency and equity in the approach taken by Councils in granting and management of the breeding permits remain.

While we have been told there are plans for the Code to be revised there is no information as yet on what the changes may be. Importantly, nothing has yet been tabled and, in terms of the parliamentary process, the current Bill is unchanged.

We will update DOGS Victoria members as soon as we are made aware of any developments, but both the current Bill and the proposed changes are addressed in DOGS Victoria’s submission to the Parliamentary Review of the Bill scheduled for 15 November 2016.

I want to extend my personal thanks to each and every DOGS Victoria member who has been active in raising awareness of this Bill. This show of public strength continues to put pressure on the government, and DOGS Victoria will continue to negotiate for a framework that will safeguard the future of pedigree dogs.

With regards,

Wayne Fleming

[asal]

Finally, the figures of why puppy farms and breeders need to be stopped contributing to the influx of dogs into their kennels. 287 less dogs would have needed to be rehomed.

"Last year, RSPCA Victoria rehomed 4200 dogs of all breeds, shapes and sizes from our 11 animal care centres across Victoria, and GRV needs to be realistic about the market for rehoming greyhounds in Victoria.

Around 7.9% (287) of the dogs and cats surrendered last financial year came from breeders or those involved in the greyhound racing industry."

Would it then stand to reason that 7.9% of the dogs euthanised would have also came from "breeders or those involved in the greyhound racing industry."

Now I begin to understand why it is believed this 7.9% which can be eliminated or reduced as much as possible , since they are traceable needs to be done, don't you think?

Quoted from link from this thread. http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/267866-rspca-victoria-seeking-information/

"RSPCA Victoria CEO Dr Liz Walker today applauded the Victorian Government’s efforts to stamp out puppy and kitten factories, with the introduction of amendments to laws about the commercial breeding of dogs and cats.

The amendments will impose a limit of ten female breeding dogs or cats in a Domestic Animal Business by 2020, and require pet stores to only sell registered pound and shelter dogs and cats.

“It’s a bold initiative, and that’s what’s needed to bring about change in this industry,” said Dr Walker. “We have seen the squalid conditions in the mass production of dogs and cats time and again, and it has to stop.

“This legislation provides the starting point for a great step forward in animal welfare.

“By 2020, we hope that breeding facilities with hundreds of dogs and cats in putrid conditions will be a thing of the past.

“These changes will also mean breeding dogs should be healthier and easier for breeders to rehome, because it’s easier to provide some basic socialisation and exposure to a normal life when smaller numbers of animals are involved,” she said.

Dr Walker said RSPCA Victoria would welcome further investigation and research around the relationship between numbers of animals and welfare outcomes.

“No jurisdiction in the world has had the courage to set a low limit on the number of animals kept by breeders, so research into the link between animal numbers and welfare outcomes is limited,” Dr Walker said.

“Setting a limit will allow us to start benchmarking welfare outcomes in Victoria.”

RSPCA Victoria is keen to partner with Government and the companion animal industry – including breeders – to educate the community about how to find pets that have been bred in the best possible conditions. The Smart Puppy and Dog Buyers Guide provides useful information for people wanting to purchase a puppy.

“Put simply, potential pet owners should visit the place where the puppy was born; meet the mother dog (and father too if he’s around) to make sure they’re happy and healthy; and check the breeder provides a high standard of care and living conditions for all of their dogs."

What a nice happy feel good press release to be found below the first quote I copied if you get to it.

What happened to breeders have to have been inspected and pass before they can breed? now every joe public can demand access?

no mention of the dangers of letting anyone who could have been in contact with kennel cough, parvo or distemper having to be allowed to inspect your dogs and property to ascertain if they pass muster though. Even though the mother is vaccinated the puppies can still catch all or any prior to being old enough to vaccinate. A breeder should have the right to say no when puppies are very young, but hey how would anyone know that from reading the above?

Edited November 16, 2016 by asal

[moosmum]

"DOGS Victoria Members - THIS BILL WILL IMPACT YOU

Domestic Animals Amendment (Puppy Farm and Pet Shops) Bill 2016

Even if you only have one entire female, and you want to breed, this legislation will affect you. It will mean you must have a DAB issued from your council. If you do not, and you breed and sell your puppies, you will be breaking the law, with hefty fines as a penalty.

The consequences are even higher for those with over five dogs, with provisions to build concrete kennels and a strict code you'll need to follow – and this will be law. Make no mistake you must abide by it or face serious repercussions, including fines and even jail sentences.

This Bill affects every single DOGS Victoria member, if you breed or not, it will reduce our ability to continue producing healthy, well socialised purebred puppies. Our dog spots, our shows our hobby will be destroyed.

We need your help to spread the message that this Bill is wrong and must be amended. We do not support puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders, so let's spread the word that this Bill needs to get it right, first time, so it can target those that are doing the wrong thing. The power is in our numbers. Please support us in getting the word out that ethical, registered DOGS Victoria breeders should not be included in this one-size-fits-all legislation. This is what you can do:"

The idiots still dont get it. they are still backing the bill, just they want it to destroy "puppy farms, backyard or commercial breeders" there is no way any bill is not going to target anyone it can identify. EVERY one who does not live in a high rise but a home with a backyard, has fertile female is by that very definition a "backyard breeder", registered with anyone or not.

one goes you all go, will they never GET THAT???

Exactly right.

This why it is shortsighted for Dogs Vic to be campaigning for exemptions for their members. Instead, they should take the reasons they believe their members are better breeders than Joe Blow public and puppy farmers (reasons limited to community good and animal welfare, forget the 'purebred' angle in this case) and campaign for the bill to be redesigned to disallow puppy and kitten sales from anyone not trained to breed and rear litters ethically.

The Bill goes wrong in treating puppies and kittens like merchandise and forcing breeders to factory produce as a business. Instead, breeders should be licenced after demonstrating a knowledge of basic genetics, animal husbandry, the correct methods for rearing well socialized puppies and/or kittens and what information to give to puppy/kitten buyers and in what form it should be given. The cost to be covered by a once only test fee and then an annual or multi-annual licence fee (similar to drivers' licences). Dogs Vic breeders already have to pass an exam, lets do it properly from a community point of view. Being unlicenced, or losing your licence for proven infringements will mean you are not permitted to sell puppies or kittens under 12 months of age.

Additionally, a broodstock fitness test should be designed for each species and breeders MUST have each potential sire and dam undergo this test (probably best administered by vets) at their own expense. The purpose of certifying each and every sire and dam would be to exclude breeding from stock with deformities of structure or temperament. The devil is in the details here, but that is another battle.

The most important factor of all, the cost of implementing these laws (which the current Bill passes to municipal government) could be minimal if certified rescues were permitted to seize and rehome any puppies or kittens produced by unlicenced breeders. The likes of RSPCA and Lort Smith etc. would eagerly do all the investigating and happily report the unlicensed one to be fined heavily by the court system. Those members of the public currently frustrated by the deaf ears their attempts to report infringements of current legislation - advertising of underage and unmicrochipped puppies for example - would simply report to a certified rescue instead, who would leap to seize cute saleable babies.

Genuine accidental litters would still be seized by rescue, but no court case and fine for the owners (unless it happened more than once. )

That is what I think should happen. As stated, the devil is in the details but get the correct framework going and fight the details afterwards.

I disagree. I think license or course based solutions push this further, from a public concern for dogs in the community to a private profession like a vet.

It takes familiarity away from the public. It opens the way to more abuses, professional, welfare and likely others. It creates a public easily served. Not easily familiar with what they could or should receive from that Profession or the product.

It could ONLY evolve as profession then. Not as a hobby or interest.

The ONLY way out of this, is to formaly recognize Dog the species comes before Pedigree the dog.

That its familiarity with the species and practices that make a good breeder, not the standards he has to work within.

His 'standards' are his environment and what he has to work with. Familiarity with the subject ONLY will see him make the most of it. Regardless of pedigree or lack of one.

There can not be familiarity with out Recognition.

P*ssing against the wind.

Edited November 12, 2016 by moosmum

[Steve]

This whole thing started with the RSPCA,AWL and AR wanting breeders to be licenced. They put in a Pilot program on the Gold Coast and it FAILED and in fact NOTHING about anything in that Pilot program was successful.

They wanted chip numbers or breeder licence numbers in ads. That didn't happen and it wasn't and couldn't be policed. They were so confident that when the new laws came in and everyone who owned an entire dog would crowd in and apply for a licence that they would need two rangers who's only job would be to do inspections and grant or knock back licences. When I spoke to the ranger after the Pilot program had been run he told me that it failed because no one applied for a licence, they were still only finding out who had a litter if someone reported them for smell or noise etc just as it had always been. The Rangers who had been allocated to managing the program were taken off that job and returned to what rangers usually do, everything else including following up dog related issues and complaints.

Every where else in the world where breeder licensing has been bought in it has FAILED.

For numerous reasons in Victoria the laws for breeding dogs and the over regulation has CREATED the situation where the large scale kennels have been established. We told them this would be a consequence of their crazy codes and government interference in areas they have no right or need to be but every year they add a bit more . If any group had a strategy to stop the breeding of all dogs bit by bit what you see happening would be a good way for them to go.

First you divide them by elevating one group over another so they actually work with you to knock out the competition .Cross bred breeders, breeders who breed dogs for money, are the scum of the earth and heaven forbid the dreaded back yard breeder must be annihilated.

Because one group has been selected as being the only ones who should breed dogs for now get them to agree to anything regardless of whether its best for dogs or not with exemptions for now. How dare someone who breeds and sells cross bred dogs ask such high prices ,how dare someone breed purebred dogs and not want to be a member of an elite group of bullies and show dog people. How dare someone want to breed their dog and place healthy pets in someone's arm.

We have been watching as they helped promote registered breeders as the preferred place to purchase a puppy. Of course if these breeders dont also show their dogs then they dont care about the standard or the breed etc. They are just registered puppy farmers and only breed for filthy lucre.They health test ? Well some do but most don't and health testing doesn't mean you automatically get a healthier dog. Then we start to hear they inbreed, they breed to extremes they use popular sires. The dreaded back yard breeder actually may do LESS damage to the breed. Just look at the scum of the earth who advertise their puppies for sale! Unless of course its dogzonline. Gumtree has the most deprived people advertising there and it ll must be stopped.

There isnt any point in going on but this is all crap.

What the hell is the problem that they are constantly trying to fix ? Why do the ignorant mindless public need such protection from this epidemic of horrible people who breed puppies?

If someone chooses to allow their dog to have a litter without government approval they want to treat them like criminals, take their property.

All Breeders need knowledge in genetics , animal husbandry blah blah blah to be able to allow their dog to have puppies ? Why? Who says that only one goal is the only goal someone should have ,where is the EVIDENCE that so many puppies from one source or another is sick or bad tempered or causing what ever the hell problem it is they are trying to fix? The whole world took a small study that said registered breeders puppies are better socialised so this became the big deal of the century, people couldn't possibly be able to socialise their puppies if they had more than one litter at a time, what a load of crap!

So just lets look at the special group and see where it stands now. Best place to buy a puppy is a purebred registered breeder who shows their dogs, who health tests, who lets the public come and inspect them and their homes, who takes back their dogs if the new owner doesn't want them anymore, who guarantees them for things that its not possible to guarantee them for, who is knowledgeable in genetics and animal husbandry, who only breeds a litter or two a year. We wont mention that the knowledge they think they need in genetics and husbandry is fed to them by idiots.

It has become the only hobby or occupation that Ive ever heard of where the less you do it you are more respected and more recommended you become.

Where I come from purebred breeders who had more rather than less dogs and who bred more than an average number of litters are the ones that left the greatest mark on the breeds. These days even the boards of the CCs are condemning any breeder who has more than a couple of litters a year because its become politically correct .Not anything to do with what is best for the breeds or the dogs just what it needs to shut down the bullies.

Best wait the best is yet to come after you get all of the crap through, and you have divided all of the different people who commit the sin of allowing their dog to remain entire and the ultimate sin of having a litter - just take away their exemptions and make them breed dogs they knew was a shit way to breed dogs but as long as it wasn't them it didn't matter, then dada start telling the world about breed standards and brachy heads and breeding to extremes - well come in suckers.

[Steve]

Dogs NSW has a policy of inspections for anyone who breeds more than average number of litters, Vicdogs is not fighting against the 10 fertile dog limit and now Dogs Queensland have a new one to register puppies price goes up to 43 dollars but after the 6th litter price per puppy goes up to 86 dollars.

It just feeds into the crap that its preferable to only have a litter or two per year and any breeder who is in a position to breed more than a couple of litters a year is scum. They are supposed to represent their members and help to protect the breeds ! Suckers.

[alpha bet]

Personally I am disgusted with Vic Dogs lack of response when these Breeding Regulations were first discussed with the Dept Primary Industries back some 5 years ago. Vic Dogs seemed happy to accept the bill then which allowed for the 10 entire bitches as they felt this wouldnt affect most of their members - so they just rolled over and let the Government just push their bill thru... and then 2 years down the track more amendments made as well as control being handed over to the Department of Ag - who actually see having responsibility for dogs/cats as being a fly in their ointment as they are dealing with far more "important" farming welfare.

When this was first raised back in 2010 Vic Dogs (ANKC as well) should have started working to push our cause... to fight against the politics as well as starting to implement systems to regulate their own breeding members.

Welfare Groups / Individuals use social media to fuel outrage with the public for their cause. Just look at the often horrendous photos that are often posted of poor filthy puppies lost in dark sheds or livestock covered in blood and jammed into cages.

Governments traditionally respond to welfare groups who can drum up enough media drama by introducing legislation. Usually by engaging some public servants with little if any experience in the field who probably sit around a table, drinking latte, chatting to the welfare groups and coming up with what they think are some 'good ideas' and then write their draft.... which gets hacked around for a time and then handed over for a rubber stamp.

Well the rubber stamp has cometh..... Now ALL breeders have been lumped into the same basket as the puppy farmer and BYB....

Our biggest fear is that this legislation hands over the power for decisions to our local council bylaw officer... these public servants have no knowledge or understanding, all they do is tick the boxes without even having any opinions.... it doesn't matter what you think or say... if you don't tick their boxes they have the power to shut you down......

BEWARE THE PUBLIC SERVANT AT YOUR DOOR.....