Kavik Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Seriously... who lets their dog run loose with tradies coming and going? I will contain mine even when I have visitors that aren't completely dog mad... T. I'm exactly the same. I always contain the dogs if tradies come - mine are very friendly but tradies don't want to be bothered by dogs while they are working, common sense! And they tend to leave gates open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Seriously... who lets their dog run loose with tradies coming and going? I will contain mine even when I have visitors that aren't completely dog mad... T. I'm exactly the same. I always contain the dogs if tradies come - mine are very friendly but tradies don't want to be bothered by dogs while they are working, common sense! And they tend to leave gates open ...'common sense' is the prevailing oxymoron... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Seriously... who lets their dog run loose with tradies coming and going? I will contain mine even when I have visitors that aren't completely dog mad... T. I'm exactly the same. I always contain the dogs if tradies come - mine are very friendly but tradies don't want to be bothered by dogs while they are working, common sense! And they tend to leave gates open Basically been my life the past 2 weeks. I've had nonstop tradies. The dog has gone nuts over the extra confinement but the tradie safety comes first over a destroyed book and a pillow. and by keeping the tradies safe, i keep the dog safe. gates get left open, potentially toxic items are laying about, tools everywhere, dogs underfoot, allergies, might just be an ass who will claim was threatened etc etc. By keeping them separate, the jobs are done safely and the dog is safe. I hope this owner isn't so much of a pillock as to ignore the boss and not put his dog away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossumCorner Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 .... My feeling is that the owner is a pillock. ... Agreed, but no more so than the supervisor and so-called workmates. If there was any degree of teamwork in the situation they would as a group have insisted on the dog being contained. But of course if it is a relatively wealthy client the contractor will not risk getting them off-side. As for the other workers, this disgusts me in so many Australian work-places. Cruelty to apprentices is rife and very well documented. Practical jokes in the work-place are also rife, so funny to laugh at someone elses' discomfort or fear or downright danger. OHS has been a huge benefit here, but the culture still supports bullying which can take many forms. Even just not being there to support but turning the back is as clear as overt bullying. Sure the owners are stupid - but that's not where the blame totally lies - it should have been sorted to begin with, not allowed to escalate like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 .... My feeling is that the owner is a pillock. ... Agreed, but no more so than the supervisor and so-called workmates. If there was any degree of teamwork in the situation they would as a group have insisted on the dog being contained. But of course if it is a relatively wealthy client the contractor will not risk getting them off-side. As for the other workers, this disgusts me in so many Australian work-places. Cruelty to apprentices is rife and very well documented. Practical jokes in the work-place are also rife, so funny to laugh at someone elses' discomfort or fear or downright danger. OHS has been a huge benefit here, but the culture still supports bullying which can take many forms. Even just not being there to support but turning the back is as clear as overt bullying. Sure the owners are stupid - but that's not where the blame totally lies - it should have been sorted to begin with, not allowed to escalate like this. How do you know that the workmates and supervisor are turning a blind eye etc? Ellz's son is a big tall rugby player. I doubt he is squealing when the dog is humping him or attempting to bite. The workmates might not even know there is a problem. Ellz son needs to tell his boss if there is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Guys, you can't be going into other people's yards and doing anything with their dog - give them food, expose them to unpleasant scents, shove them, pull them by the collar - nothing without checking first with the owner, unless the dog is about to be injured or injure someone else. ...but that is exactly the point here! No it's not. The whole point of the thread is a pre-meditated strategy, and most of the suggested strategies require prior planning. You can't be like "I would not have thrown dog treats at the dog if I didn't think it was about to hurt someone." Why would you even have dog treats unless you planned to feed them to a dog? Assuming you are not me and thus usually have dog treats on you. My point is if you have a plan, then someone has to check it with the owner. They have to have the opportunity to consent or they will have the opportunity to kick up an enormous fuss. If the dog's owner does not okay any of the strategies people are suggesting and boss won't get involved, it needs to go higher up, and that will be all kinds of misery, but it's that or you go through all due process and make sure it's witnessed so you don't get in trouble if (when) things go pear-shaped. And make sure you are okay with the risks you are taking on behalf of yourself, the dog, and your workmates. If we are talking purely about what do you do in the moment when the dog is humping you and getting kind of growly and you want the dog off you without getting bitten, then that is a different question and most of the answers given don't apply (you know, because you didn't pack your treats/noxious scent or whatever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Guys, you can't be going into other people's yards and doing anything with their dog - give them food, expose them to unpleasant scents, shove them, pull them by the collar - nothing without checking first with the owner, unless the dog is about to be injured or injure someone else. ...but that is exactly the point here! No it's not. The whole point of the thread is a pre-meditated strategy, and most of the suggested strategies require prior planning. You can't be like "I would not have thrown dog treats at the dog if I didn't think it was about to hurt someone." Why would you even have dog treats unless you planned to feed them to a dog? Assuming you are not me and thus usually have dog treats on you. My point is if you have a plan, then someone has to check it with the owner. They have to have the opportunity to consent or they will have the opportunity to kick up an enormous fuss. If the dog's owner does not okay any of the strategies people are suggesting and boss won't get involved, it needs to go higher up, and that will be all kinds of misery, but it's that or you go through all due process and make sure it's witnessed so you don't get in trouble if (when) things go pear-shaped. And make sure you are okay with the risks you are taking on behalf of yourself, the dog, and your workmates. If we are talking purely about what do you do in the moment when the dog is humping you and getting kind of growly and you want the dog off you without getting bitten, then that is a different question and most of the answers given don't apply (you know, because you didn't pack your treats/noxious scent or whatever). you are absolutely right when looking at the issue from the '99.9% of accidents are avoidable view'...that's why JSAs etc. are a crucial part of the work environment - the problem is that not everyone is so reasonable and it might well be that the dog owner, or the boss, is one of the not so reasonable people. If this is the case - I don't know - the son has two options: to quit the job (or take some leave to avoid the confrontation if he can), or deal with the risk of getting bitten...both options are not ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world...if he doesn't want to quit, but informed the owner and his boss about the issue and they ignore it, IMO he has the right to defend himself, even by using aversives as he is not trespassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trifecta Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Ellz, just get your son to show the client any dog hair stuck to freshly painted surfaces, he will soon put the dog away, especially if there is any stuck to glossy surfaces :laugh: I honestly can't believe anyone would allow a dog to run around with painters working, paint is a magnet for dog hair.... especially if you have any Shepherd breeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tara and Sam Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Ellz, just get your son to show the client any dog hair stuck to freshly painted surfaces, he will soon put the dog away, especially if there is any stuck to glossy surfaces :laugh: I honestly can't believe anyone would allow a dog to run around with painters working, paint is a magnet for dog hair.... especially if you have any Shepherd breeds :laugh: that's a good point owner : oh !!! you got dog hair on walls boss : well put you b.... dog away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 Some progress....boss is on side. Owner......well the owner couldn't see how her dog could POSSIBLY be a nuisance to anyone and doesn't think that her dog should be confined or that it needs to be kept under control. My son did get hassled first up but it picked a bad time and he turned around and apparently roared a massive NO!!!!! at it and it slunk off like it had been physically assaulted. Chris (boss) witnessed it and is prepared to back my son if the owner gets narky.. Since then, it has followed at what it apparently feels is a safe distance and has spent most of the day licking its paws neurotically while staring at my son. The boss thinks it is plotting something from the way it is looking at them ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Tell the owner to send it to a nice expensive upmarket doggy daycare centre where all the bestest poshest oodles go to play, socialise and learn manners etc. Truth aside it would be a good solution. They can even tell all their friends at school how posh the dog is and discuss it all at the cafe on Sunday at brunch. I'm glad for your son that the dog seems to be licking its wound so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Best Dogs! Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Sound's like the boss is the right sort once it's been pointed out, glad your son isn't in it alone! Shame the owner is so absolutely clueless that her dog is a pain in the ass. Still reckon her dog should be confined, but I don't recall if Tassie has specific rules around that. Just not bloody safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Grand Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Good news ellz! What an idiot the owner is...maybe the dog could conveniently wander out an open door/gate and end up the pound, that might make the owner think! (not serious, although it would serve the owner right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The hair on fresh paint idea is a good'un!! :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The hair on fresh paint idea is a good'un!! :) :) Yep and great globs of paint on her dog might give her the hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) I would just tie the dog up where it can't get into trouble. sheesh. If she doesn't know what her dog is doing - she won't know it's tied up either. The boss should really take his workers off site until the owner does the right thing. OH&S - he's been warned. And I would definitely be using the stinky stuff on the trouser legs (has anyone been washing their work clothes with bleach? Maybe don't do that - it smells like dog pee). Edited September 23, 2016 by Mrs Rusty Bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Soooooo...today the dog had a run-in with a freshly painted wall....well, not so freshly painted, it was just on the tacky side of dry. But tacky enough to act like flypaper and attract a big golden-coloured pest. Owner wasn't amused, boss totally unimpressed, son had to take an early smoko because he had the giggles and the dog spent most of the afternoon in the bath at a local grooming parlour (might hurt the hip pocket a bit). It will be interesting to see if the dog is allowed to run free on Monday when the painters are on the premises..... :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) Soooooo...today the dog had a run-in with a freshly painted wall....well, not so freshly painted, it was just on the tacky side of dry. But tacky enough to act like flypaper and attract a big golden-coloured pest. Owner wasn't amused, boss totally unimpressed, son had to take an early smoko because he had the giggles and the dog spent most of the afternoon in the bath at a local grooming parlour (might hurt the hip pocket a bit). It will be interesting to see if the dog is allowed to run free on Monday when the painters are on the premises..... :rofl: Hoo-bloody-ray!! I hope the boss charges extra to repair the wall too. Or better still leaves it as is until they ask for it to be fixed and then let them know that will cost more. Edited September 23, 2016 by Kirislin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tara and Sam Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Soooooo...today the dog had a run-in with a freshly painted wall....well, not so freshly painted, it was just on the tacky side of dry. But tacky enough to act like flypaper and attract a big golden-coloured pest. Owner wasn't amused, boss totally unimpressed, son had to take an early smoko because he had the giggles and the dog spent most of the afternoon in the bath at a local grooming parlour (might hurt the hip pocket a bit). It will be interesting to see if the dog is allowed to run free on Monday when the painters are on the premises..... :rofl: Hoo-bloody-ray!! I hope the boss charges extra to repair the wall too. Or better still leaves it as is until they ask for it to be fixed and then let them know that will cost more. :laugh: well the owner was told about the dog and should be charged to repaint it maybe said owner will listen in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Soooooo...today the dog had a run-in with a freshly painted wall....well, not so freshly painted, it was just on the tacky side of dry. But tacky enough to act like flypaper and attract a big golden-coloured pest. Owner wasn't amused, boss totally unimpressed, son had to take an early smoko because he had the giggles and the dog spent most of the afternoon in the bath at a local grooming parlour (might hurt the hip pocket a bit). It will be interesting to see if the dog is allowed to run free on Monday when the painters are on the premises..... :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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